h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I'm in real doubt about this, but I'm still opposed to a ban. I guess I'm holding out for what the italics has to say on the matter (on both the questions Spinks asked above).
I know a healthy number of us has tried talking sense to him with as good as no result, but maybe if he knew it meant a ban if he didn't clean up his act?

Dunno, really dunno...


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~Bistro

I swing from being really angry about it and wanting to be sympathetic. We're obviously dealing with someone who has problems that need proper help.

I think out of everything, the time and effort taken to help him, ace him, reply to his requests for help when pretending be another newbie,.. the very worst thing he did was to register a complaint about being a newbie harassed by a researcher, for no reason.

Has anyone who yikesed Liam heard anything back yet from the mods via email? Freddy?


One of the things I have been thinking about in the last day is how much of my h2g2 time this has taken up recently - I would say 90% in the last 4 days. I keep thinking I could have written a guide entry in that time .

I am going to have to rethink my involvement if this goes on too much longer. Part of the difficulty is that with issues like this it is quite important to keep up with what is going on.

Maybe we need a new strategy? I mean, we could all just ignore him, and whenever we see him posting like those new threads on Ask, we could just post warning other researchers , especially newbies what is going on. Ditto any new entries he starts with help groups. This would mean not responding to Liam directly.

I think banning is a last measure thing, and it'd be good to see if we can find another way as a community. However I am definitely resenting the amount of time this is taking up.

Kea.
That would only set a president for other Yoom’s

Nothing worth having, is ever cheap (what is H2G2 worth)..?

>>That would only set a president for other Yoom’s <<

Sorry, I didn't get that. What is a Yoom?


Mickey Mouse has turned up disingenuously on <./>How Do I?</.> . I've posted a warning to the researchers subscribed there - F30859?thread=375571

I've had enough. Personally I feel ok about posting carefully worded warnings especially to places like <./>How Do I?</.> where I am subscribed. If it was going to become something we all did, we would need to discuss how to do that in a safe way I think.

Young Out of Order Men (sorry from old days)

way to go

Has anyone heard anything official yet? They must know this is causing considerable consternation. Us posting warnings about specific researcher(s)in widely-read fora makes me very uncomfortable without any kind of official sanction.

The italics won't comment officially and will leave the complaints as pending until they decide what to do - that's my guess.

*sigh*

I dont know about you Mort, but I almost wish I hadnt bothered.

Haven't had a response to my yikesings yet, Kea - I'll post here as soon as I do.

Kelli, I agree - if it was going to be a regular thing, we would need to have some kind of agreement about it. I've just had a guts full. If it wasn't for what is starting to look like intentional troublemaking, I'd probabaly just unsubscribe now. Also I am still concerned at the effect that he might have on newbies with his welcome thing.


The other thing I wanted to add is that a couple of people have post saying to leave Liam alone. Incognitas was one, saying that we are over-reacting I think. I am thinking about the h2g2 history and issues in the past that have arisen with 'problematic' researchers especially ones with multiple IDs. And the conflict that ensued when the Italics got involved. This was mostly with established researchers though, I think.

There is a need for caution with banning researchers - and a lot of intense debate has happened around this in the past. If we are going to start talking about banning a researcher it might be good to be aware of that history here. Do any of the zimmer brigade want to comment on that?

*still trying to get to bed*
kea.

I agree FC - could have used my time better doing something for people that actually need help

Freddy.

It doesn't look like much is happening at the moment from the staff. As far as I can see none of the accounts have been put into premoderation, being as it is the first active stage in the 'disciplinary' process, after a quite word in one's shell-like.

Of course this could all be down to staffing shortages, as I think that this is the week that Jimster is off on holiday. And if so, we're down to one member of staff

I yikes the 'What's going on thread' for spamming, but obviously didn't detail my complaint adequately as it was deemed not to break house rules. Fortunately it has slipped down the list now anyway.

At least he seems to keep one only one account active at a time. Even this pseudo newbie stance is not really a difficulty, just wastes people's time replying. The real nuisance is the offering help which isn't help, which may give the site a bad name, although hopefully users will realise he's unofficial & go to the proper help sites instead. Perhaps there needs to be a clear instruction to all newbies about the official sources of help. I'm also worried as to what his motive is, although he's making such a hash at concealing himself, I doubt that he's really dangerous.

We've had/got some unpleasant people on the site & managed to cope with them. If the mods let him stay, I daresay this will subside if we all ignore him.

* dusts off zimmer badge *

This Liam character is a world apart from the first two researchers to be banned under the current regime - LeKz and Yvonne.

The first was an extremely manipulative person with multiple personality syndrome who would beat down any comments that did not go her way. The arguments tended to rage in the Peer Review threads, particularly the ones about the abortive Intelligence University Project. Eventually she was banned for posting personal abuse about Peta and her kids.

Yvonne was a RL psychotic who presented a real and present danger to one researcher we had active on site. I'm not sure what happened to her after she was banned. I do know that the resesarcher threatened is alive and well, so I presume everything came out OK in the wash.

No, Liam is merely a pain in the arse. Provided that he doesn't run around pretending to be some pseudo-ACE/GA then I believe him to be mostly harmless, and should be left alone.

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Sorry, my posting was a bit out of sync, must have missed a page!

Another thing I meant to mention was the aspect of the people who have claimed to know Lee in real life. Where do they fit into all this & have they any useful contribution to make?

Pretty much my view GD. My only real worry is that if he *is* left alone he *will* run around toting some unofficial welcoming committee title. If he wants to greet people as an ordinary researcher there wouldn't seem to be much that could be done.

Noggin

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This all started a little time ago when he came along and said

I’v been on holiday for two years I have forgot my old user ID
and
I was an ACE can he have my job post back .

From then, he has impersonated a serving police officer, and a medical paramedic,

You think we should do what.