h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

zyrak, I'm sure L**m is not the only researcher on h2 using an ID of other than their own gender (although others may not be so clumsy about it).

>>so i guess her son (liam) put her up to trying to cover her stupidity,<<

Well, you can't actually know that. It's supposition on your part. It might end up to be quite a good supposition or it might not, but I think it is important not to start seeing our feelings about something as _fact_.


Dragonlord says s/he knows L**m in real life, so maybe they can clarify today's confusion.


I did get annoyed when I saw the moon-riserwhatever saying weird stuff to a new researcher about Jazz, who I know. If it hadn't been L**m I would have posted something, so I'm in the strange situation of _not_ posting because of him. Still if I hadn't been keeping tabs on him I wouldn't have seen the posts....

But what L**m did today is not that much worse than alot of other stupid things that get done on h2. I agree with Bistro, that he needs keeping an eye on, but he also need to be given space to try and fit in even it he is being a prat (he wouldn't be the only one of those on h2 either).

I posted a link some time ago leading to one of Liam's "help groups" within the disscutions of that account a number of people had posted hi sue and some people had posted hi Liam,
im not convinced that Flicker is Liams mother at all i suspect that he is impersonating his mother, as you say how would she of found that account of Moon_rising_astronomy when she directed me to an account that didnt excist (moonrising)

If Flicker is his mother, maybe he has accsess to her account and posted there to deflect susption away from that account.

Kea yes it is purly speculation on my part, but all the evidence brings me to the only conclusion i have come up with, and i posted what i thought, i didnt say what i think and had posted was based on "fact"

we as a comunity need to work together to sort this probmatic users actions out. theres no use us arguing with each other. what i post is only posted for debate and elimination of whether or not it's liam or whether its liams mother, not for arguments between ourselfs.
Also just speculation, i dont think Liam wants to fit in to h2g2 he makes no effort other than setting up help groups. his actions sugest that is all he's intrested in. its to fullfill a need to be needed i think.

I keep going from thinking the Flicker id is Liam n then thinking it really is his mother.
If it was Liam why would he say to someone else about his other usernames Mickeymouse n moonrising? He knows we are keeping an eye out n if that message wasn't written i n zyrak wouldn't have picked up on it.
I don't think Liam is stupid enough to post his other id's do you? He may be alot of things but he's not stupid. Well what i mean he does have a brain n his very clever. Thats my opinion anyway.
I agree with zyrak here he has got his mother to cover up for him. I've no doubts about that n i wouldn't make a fool of myself on here if i wasn't 100% either.

hiya.....ive just read that post you mentioned,where liam states hes been a researcher for 2years...

aces forum...
subject:- i am the person in the aces alert.. (or something to that description)
post...5..
hes replying to intern/Ace....



sorry i use digi~box ...so cant post U....../A...... numbers


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Oh n whoever the bright spark is who keeps sending me emails i'm NOT Old Hairy or zyrak. Ask them yourselves if you don't believe me. We're supposed to keep an eye on troublemakers NOT get paranoid about each other.
And for the record i'm certainly NOT Lee so please don't even dare post that i am!

Hiya Cutie!

I'll send you an email after if you like. I'm on PC at the mo so haven't got your email address.
We'll talk later

What does it mean to be on the ACE alert n what circumstances would you be on there? I've never seen that mentioned before.

oooooops...slight mistake...its:-

The Aces Homepage..A214796
suject:-i would like to add that im the person in the alert aces post
post..8...
sent by The heavenly devil

Fair enough zyrak. I was just getting a bit concerned at the amount of speculation that has been going on (by all of us). I think it's difficult to be 100% about alot of things.

>>what i post is only posted for debate and elimination of whether or not it's liam or whether its liams mother, not for arguments between ourselfs.<<

I wasn't really arguing, I'm just wanting to slow things down a bit. Issues like this can get a momantum of there own. I tend towards caution in such situations.


I've had doubts about Flicker as well (even during the last week). This is the problem for me of the Eds policy of dealing with such matters behind closed doors. We have to assume that they are up with the play, but I guess it's possible that if Flicker isn't L**m's mum then the Eds might not know.

F27584?thread=375473

That makes bloody interesting reading - it's the thread Cutie is referring to where L**m says he's been here 2 years.


thanks Cutie

your welcome..

If you haven't been into the threads where there are people wanting to ban digibox users (i won't post the threads here) then you will know its quite hard to trace a digibox user.
I know Lee is that moonrising id n if you've noticed there is an email address on there. This is my theory......I think when he had the email from h2g2 editors being concerned with his behaviour he knew if he created an other account with that email address he would probably be banned. So what he's done is create another email address for a new account. He now knows that we know about his moonrising id. If zyrak didn't post there he would've still seen The Fish's message. (How did The Fish find out about that account?) so i reckon he will keep changing his email address so h2g2 can't keep tabs on his activities.

For the people who don't know on Telewest email (activemail) you're allowed a maximum of 3 email addresses at a time. You can change these all the time tho IF you have the master password.

I'm afraid if Lee keeps doing this nothing can stop him as all he has to do is change the email address with every new account.

This is quite interesting too, from the Ace's page F27584?thread=375470

Looks like the Aces were asked to play it cool, I assume by the Eds. Again, I have a problem with this not being more visible.

Thanks for the digibox info Diddy! Does that mean there is no way to pin him down to one location like a town or city? (which is what they have done with PC using researchers who have been banned)

Kea i'm afraid i don't know the technical know how about digibox's but i'm sure that Telewest have a database with all the info. Last year Telewest did a pilot scheme in the northwest for internet tv so i'm virtually sure that all digibox's have a unique ISP. I could be wrong tho so don't quote me on that please.

To be honest unless the technical staff of the bbc can do a sofare re-write where users on pre-mod cannot create new accounts then i then i can't see there being a stop to this now or in the future.
There was someone who was banned last year AWOL i think that was a digibox user n pc user but i don't know too much about that to comment. Cutiechops might know more details if you ask ask her.

I know with PC users they refer to the IP number. If they suspect a banned or premod researcher has opened another alias they can check to see if at least they are in the same geographical area.

The banning I am familiar with, they asked a researcher to prove who they were because the Eds could tell from the IP address that they were in the same geographical area as a banned researcher. I imagine it'd be quite difficult to prove who you were in those circumstances..

There was another researcher here who had to prove who they were not.

>>To be honest unless the technical staff of the bbc can do a sofare re-write where users on pre-mod cannot create new accounts then i then i can't see there being a stop to this now or in the future.<<

I don't have a problem really with researchers opening another account while on premod as long as they are subtle about it and discontinue the behaviour that got them on premod in the first place. I guess the theory is that if they don't stop the behaviour they will become noticed and modded again. If they do that too many times they get banned.

I read a thread in AskH2G2 last year called 'Would you pay for H2G2G2?' Well thats one way to stop mu multiple accounts being opened.
There is a site on Telewest called Yoome2 which is a subscription fee site. I think they charge £4.99 a month for it. Well they did when i used it. That is the main reason there is an influx of digibox users lately. People who just want to abuse the site would not be prepared to pay for it as well.

Just to correct something which has been repeated so often it now seems to be accepted as fact.

It is no more or less difficult to 'trace' a user from a digibox than it is to trace (say) an AOL dial-up user, at least from the BBC's point of view. It's possible that Telewest don't keep the same kinds of logs of usage that all other ISPs use, but I somehow doubt it (although I'm happy to be corrected on this score). So if, for example, the police needed to trace a digibox user, it's likely that they could ask telewest which of their customers was reading or posting to a particular site at a particular time and telewest would be able to answer that question. Probably the majority of users on the internet don't have fixed IP addresses, or use the internet through proxy servers, which is effectively how telewest users are connected. This idea that digibox users are more anonymous than those using PCs is just not true, as far as I understand it.