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conspiracy?

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dim12trav

What conspiracy? There is no conspiracy, it only appears in N-dimensional spacetime as a conspiracy. By traveling to the other dimensions freedom is available. You may keep your keys at the door read the instructions on my personal page before you leave.

Good luck
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conspiracy?

Post 2

Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

Perhaps. The goal of the Primes is to help other concious beings escape the Conspiracy. One way is to move through dimentions in which the Conspiracy has no power. However, until you recognize the conspiracy and break away from it, you cannot travel where the conspiracy has no power--it will not allow you to.


dimensional slippage

Post 3

dim12trav

It is my experience that only here on the ordinary planes of existence (see discussion on existence)are there conspiracies. Other planes of existence laugh when they hear about our lives here. It is impossible to have a conspiracy when all information is open and on the table, no hiding anything. That is why I so enjoy the times on the other planes.

Truth has a way of making us all humble. Of course fiction is much more fun and that is why I return from these trips to other planes.


dimensional slippage

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Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

The Conspiracy can exist even when all information is open because it controls not be secrets, but by power. Its existance is known, but it is still able to control many things and it cannot be desroyed, at least not easily.


dimensional slippage

Post 5

Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

The Conspiracy is not a conspiracy in the sence you are rpobably thinking of.


dimensional slippage

Post 6

Mal

Conspiracy in the sense of a natural, immense set of information rather than items?


conspiracy

Post 7

dim12trav

Strictly speaking it means breathing together in the Anglo American dialect. However there is no reason why we cannot give "strictly" the boot and go with what we've got.

When Kennedy was killed back in 1963, there were explanations about why it happened that included LBJ, the Mafia, the CIA, and just plain old Lee Harvey himself. The problem was that the Warren commission kept its report locked up so tight so that no one could find out until 2030. Using conspiracy in this case was what I meant.

Give me an example of your use of the word conspiracy.


conspiracy

Post 8

Mal

I've read the Warren Report. It's pretty obvious that one part of the Govt colluding with a large crime family (not going to name them, or I might get sued...) did it. And that most of the members of the Commission had something to hide.
But just because a thing is called Conspiracy, it doesn't describe it's function. My neighbour's dog is called Rover, yet all it does is sit on its fat arse all day and fart.


conspiracy

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Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

"Give me an example of your use of the word conspiracy."

I'll try to define it instead.

There are two Primist interpretations of the Conspiracy.

1.) Conspiratorialist Primists think of it sort of as a supernatural collection of minds. It might be compared to the way cells in your body see you. You are equivalent to the Conspiracy, being a group of them that acts for its own good and controls them completely. Primism is then a movement amond body cells to become independant organisms. Another way to view it is sort of as a totalitarian god (but not an omnicient or omnipotent one).

2.) Humanist (or Agnostic) Primists see it as a social condition among human that might be equated with peer pressure. To them, it is the combination of biological and social forces that force people to think they wanty to do things that relly don't make sence. (ie. peer pressure to act a certain way, or wear uncomfortable clothes; a biological drive to get lots of sleep, ect.)

I am a Conspiratorialist Primist, who is starting to lean towars Agnostic Primism.


conspiracy

Post 10

Mal

Well, insofar as I agree with Conspiratorialist Primism, I'm both. And as far as I agree is quite far, since even though I don't know the names, I recognise the forces.


conspiracy

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Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

Just out of interest, which do oyu tihnk is more reasonable, Conspiratorialist Primism or Agnostic Primism?


conspiracy

Post 12

Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

I should note one other diffence. Conspiratorialist Primists believe that the mind is a product of a "soul" and that it survives death. Agnostic Primists hgave a naturalistic view of the mind.


conspiracy

Post 13

dim12trav

The problem I see with this scenario is that there are non-human entities within our greater structure namely virus and bacilli, each with their own will and agenda. Many of these creatures are able to cooperate with the greater structure (human) but many are antithetical to that life. That is not the same as individual human cells conspiring as I seem to think you mean.

This can be likened to we humans being a macro-biological factor within the greater universe. Our waste for example being equivalent to the waste these micro-biological organism have within us. The construct is not new though and there is no way of knowing within this time/space framework. Could God be this greater universal construct?


conspiracy

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Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

You're missing one vital point. I was making an anoalogy to deomonstrait my point, no because I believe that the analogy is a true picture of reality. I was not saying that the conspiracy is truely like the human body and we are truely like our cells. I merely meant to say that we are psart of the conspiracy, but not necesarily willingly.


conspiracy

Post 15

Mal

Which do I tend more to? I don't know enough about either to truly know. However, after arguing with you in your previous and current incarnations for a while, I've concluded that I agree with many of your beliefs.
Let me see. So, Conspiratorialists believe in a "a supernatural collection of mind". Does that mean that they believe that all authority - used in the sense of power that inevitably arises in a group of enough biots - is negative and part of the conspiracy? I agree with the Conspiratorialists insofar as (as you may have noticed on the Meaning of Life thread) it appears to me that life has it's own reasons at time, and a vaster intelligence of which we are part, not directing, but participating in the universe, is of a decent probability. However, I haven't yet jellied (rather than concreted, haha...) my ideas about the soul, but I'm not so sure I agree with the Conspiratorialists there.
However, I agree with the Agnostics also in that both a social condition and an actual intelligence could exist, and they both seem as likely and evident as eachother. If you could give more details about Primism and the factions, I'd be grateful.


conspiracy

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Agnostic Primist (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71)

Keep watching my journal for more information. I'm planning to put more up there, but I've been buisy recently, as I am learning to drive and have been taking driver's ed classes during the day.

(School when school's out, how unfair!)

"Does that mean that they believe that all authority - used in the sense of power that inevitably arises in a group of enough biots - is negative and part of the conspiracy?"

They believe that, yes. The real question is, whcih direction is it?

Conspiratorialists believe that the existance of that authority is caused by the Conspiracy (the conspiracy came first and made the authority).

Agnostic Primists see the conspiracy more as the product of the way biots interect, as something that emerges from the existance of a collection of biots and not vice-versa.


conspiracy

Post 17

Mal

Oh, okay. In that case, I started of as a Conspiratorialist and am now leaning towards Agnosticism.


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