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Sol Started conversation Nov 20, 2011
I was wondering if you had any suggestions for initiatives for commenting on Guide Entries, especially ones that could be turned into commenting 'challenges' in Create.
I don't unfortunately . I've been thinking all year (and longer) that it's important to get the community talking on EGEs, but haven't had the time to really look at that.
Maybe it's about getting people to go to the EGEs, but I also wonder if it's about bringing the EGEs to the community. Eventually that could be via Community Central, but in the meantime maybe via Ask? I'm not sure how exactly, but perhaps having a thread once a week that highlights what's happening with the EGEs and gives incentives for going and talking there.
I think the focus needs to be on conversations rather than just posting. The thing the community likes doing is discussing shit, so a single comment on an EGE isn't going to do it (although that could be a separate challenge maybe, comment on five EGEs this week kind of thing, because I think it's very good for the writers to have comments).
I've always been terrible at visiting the FP, and I'd guess this is so for many. I see having the QotD back has excited a few people, so maybe there needs to be changes daily to get people into the habit of going there daily.
How to get people engaging with the FP? I don't even know what day The Post gets published, or the new Talking Point goes up. Maybe RSS feeds? (or twitter/FB etc). Maybe we need to be able to subscribe to the FP!! Every time there is a change it shows up on our PS. I'm just brainstorming here, and I can see that some of this is medium/long term esp anything that requires coding.
There are some larger issues here, to do with getting people to go wider than Ask (CC/Community Soapbox etc) and I don't think we have the resources to look at that. I'm kind of involved in the CC thing, so will definitely think about this in that context too.
Sorry, don't feel that's much help. I will think on this more. My instincts say to open a thread about it somewhere (Ask probably) and go invite in some people that might not be there at the time, and see what the community thinks about it. I'll have a think about if I have time to do that soon. Do you have a time frame for the bigger project you are thinking of?
Having a quick look at the FP... I'm thinking there could be two initiatives. One around the new entries, and one around the Showcase. They could run concurrently or separately.
(It would be good if the new entries could be highlighted as such eg "Drugs From Plants" should be the subheader, with New Entries (or a cooler name) as the Header).
Sol Posted Nov 20, 2011
Could you hang fire on opening a thread about it in Ask, Kea? I'll explain why later, but it's Sunday so I need to go and do some family stuff now. I was really just asking on behalf of ideas for challenges for Create.
Ditto getting back to you on your ideas for that!
Sol Posted Nov 20, 2011
OK, the family are being obliging, so...
I'm not sure (and this is just my opinion not the Voice of Any Kind of Authority) that now would be a good time to raise expectations about another area of change/ initiative. I believe you yourself are concerned at the number of things that haven;t got done yet because the volunteers are working their way through the backlog of initiatives and updates and so on that we already have.
It's not that it's not important, it's not that it's not something we are thinking about, it's not that we are not going to ask the community for ideas/ suggestions/ comments on a plan and so on, but this has already been discussed in a number of places on site and I think that discussing it again in Ask right now would breed frustration if a) we weren't able to act on it now and b) we ask again closer to the point at which we can.
I was really just striking while the iron was hot and it came up in a thread anyway, because Create's schedule at the moment is fairly flexible and I can squeeze in a task or two if they happen to be good ones.
Obviously I'm not telling you to not open a thread. As a researcher you have that right. But you'll notice that none of the other volunteers have, and forgive me, I'm pretty sure it isn't because only you care about it, or what the community thinks about it.
Sol Posted Nov 20, 2011
And as for you suggestions, I really like the one about a thread on Ask as an update thread. Don't suppose you want to host that one do you?Lanzababy or Gnomon would probably be the people to liaise with there, as they could tell you what is coming up and you could prepare some conversaiton starters or something. A sort of pre-Community Central initiative. Someone has also had a different idea for bringing (not necessarily fresh) entries into Ask, which is something I am hoping to use in Create, and so may I enlist your help with that? Probably in a month's time unless I get really inspired.
And your point about needing separate drives for both individual comments and actual conversations is a good one.
I'm gonna copy and paste your other ideas comments to the technical and editorial teams too, because obviously adding RSS feeds and rearranging the FP would fall to them. Unless you don't mind me linking to this convo?
Fair enough Sol
I saw it a bit differently - not so much as asking the community what it wants and then saying that it's something we can't have 'cos we're all to busy. I saw it more as facilitating an ongoing discussion about how the *community* could be involved in this (as opposed to the formal volunteers). In that sense I was thinking of things that the community itself could do rather than big project stuff that required the Volunteers. My own ideas were bigger/longer terms stuff, but I can't seen any reason why the community can't come up with its own ideas on this for over say the next four months.
I fundamentally disagree with the model being set up to 'consult with' the community, which is why I'm not a fan of "it's not that we are not going to ask the community for ideas/ suggestions/ comments on a plan and so on". In fact I dislike the model extremely. It actually excludes the community in ways that are unnecessary, and it disempowers us from things that are core to the community's existence.
This doesn't mean that the Volunteers have to run everything via the community, or that they can't come up with plans on their own and present them in the ways being suggested. It just means that the modus operandi is keeping the process and decisions making onsite as much as possible. That's not happening, and IMO at least some of the time this is contributing to the Volunteers work overload.
I really appreciate you acknowledging that you are not telling me to open a thread I won't at the moment (probably not this year to be honest), because I have lots of other stuff I am doing, and because I appreciate you are leading the process and I don't want to tread on your toes or mess things up.
But you'll notice that none of the other volunteers have, and forgive me, I'm pretty sure it isn't because only you care about it, or what the community thinks about it.
Well that's the problem of taking so much offsite I've not actually seen anyone talk about the idea much, although I've mentioned it a few times over the past year.
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