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Ivan the Terribly Average Started conversation Jan 21, 2004
Just thought I'd drop in and thank you for kicking off discussions about all these new 'welcoming' groups or whatever they might be. I was itching to ask a few questions, but couldn't post anything from w*rk. By the time I got home, you'd beaten me to it.
Thanks Ivan. I liked what you said in that other discussion. It does seem like a strange thing that that person is doing. I assume they are trying to find a way of fitting in, and hope it isn't anything more than that (which is annoying and will probably stop).
Nice to meet you btw. I've noticed your name before - I like it as it makes me smile.
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Jan 22, 2004
I'm not above being flattered when someone likes the name. Took me ages to come up with it, too.
(I don't suppose you could direct me to a site with a picture of a kea? I've only seen a line drawing in an old Gerald Durrell book, and I'm curious to know what keas really look like. They don't seem to make the news like kiwis and kakapos do.)
As for this over-enthusiastic individual - he appears to have gone away, at least for the moment. I didn't notice him in 'who's online' today. I *do* wish I understood his motives.
Unlike Kakapo and Kiwi, Kea in real life are not known for being backwards coming forwards. Luckily they don't know about the lack of overseas media attention. Or possibly they *do* know and have planned it that way
This is good too: A306866
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Jan 22, 2004
DOC has rather a good website there. Thanks for the link; it's saved in 'favourites' and I'll have a good rummage in it later. It's giving me ideas. Among other things I'd like to do this year, a visit to NZ is on the cards. All I've seen of NZ so far is the duty-free shop in the transit lounge at Auckland Airport. (I don't think that counts as a 'visit', even though I did get to see lots of plush toys resembling anthropomorphised kiwifruit.)
Now it's just a matter of getting some money together.
*thought-bubble with idyllic NZ scenery bursts; Ivan returns to earth with a thud*
Ah, you obviously haven't come across one of my occasional but vehement anti-tourism rants (It goes something like how NZ is being turned into a theme park ).
Actually I don't mind people visiting NZ, especially if they spend a decent amount of time here and contribute something other than money and pollution. It's just that the whole tourism industry here has gotten way out of hand, and many things are being wrecked in the process (including "idyllic NZ scenery").
Where abouts are you? I bet there are still beautiful and interesting things to check out where you live?
Glad you like the DOC site. They're an interesting Government Department. Totally necessary, and hated by a vocal part of the rural population. They do some very good work, and some pretty stupid things as well. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place (their conservation duties, underfunding, and pressure from the tourism/development sectors).
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Jan 23, 2004
*breaks own rule - posts from work as won't be around for a few days*
I live in Canberra. That pretty much knocks on the head the idea that there could be interesting things to do locally . But I understand where you're coming from with the anti-tourist stance. Tourists around here are usually loud obnoxious things, and N*ghth**ver forbid that I should be like that in someone else's country. There's huge slabs of Australia that have been ruined by tourism - south-eastern Queensland is a prime example - and I don't wish that on anyone. I fail to understand why places should be wrecked to accommodate tourists, especially when it ruins the thing that tourists have come to look at.
(I wish I had more time for this ramble - I'll have to post without proofreading & then sign out.)
I also dislike tourists that fly into a place, spend a couple of days there, then leave again thinking that they understand the whole country. Sydney attracts thousands of that type every day (but the joke's on them - it's been said that Sydney is just a slum that looks good on a postcard, and nothing more. Whether that's true or not is a matter of personal belief, but the fact is that it is nothing like the rest of the country. Nevertheless, so many foreigners assume that to know Sydney is to know the whole continent.)
What I'm thinking of coming to NZ for is not 'tourism' as such; it's a chance to get away to a place I can afford to get to, where conversation about my job, and the revolting government entity I w*rk for, will not be possible - which rules out every last piece of my own country. (W*rk has had me on the verge of a nervous breakdown recently, but that's a subject for another time.) I'd pick one place, or a smallish region, and stay there for as much time as I can muster. (Another pet hate - 'organised tourism' of the 'If this is Tuesday it must be B*lgium' variety. All that rushing around while learning nothing and failing to relax... There's no way I'd attempt to see all of NZ at once.)
Can I be forgiven? I don't have a broad Aussie accent; I can be unobtrusive; I promise not to mention sporting victories of the past present or future; and more to the point, I don't believe my country is the world's best... Will you let me in? Please?
*back to w*rk*
God, I'm slack. I've been meaning to reply to this for ages. My only defense was being sucked into the L**m void for the past week .
How was the fishing btw? Hope you had a good break.
Back to your question - we do let the odd Aussie in , so I'm sure it will be fine . Especially if you agree not to talk about sp*rt at all.
I've been in Australia on holiday myself . I was one of those terrible people that car camped and didn't contribute to the tourism economy . I know what you mean about SE Queensland. I was there for a few days, and luckily it was the winter so it was relatively quiet.
I did find this cool canyon system inland Queensland that I hung out at for a few days too. I had asked the locals about it, and they said - "oh there's nothing worth looking at up there". At the time I thought they were being very ignorant, but now I can see maybe they were just not wanting more tourists. I'm in a growing band of people here that now *won't* tell tourists about the cool places to go. If someone takes the time to get to know me I might though.
I agree that there is a difference between tourism and visiting a place and spending time there getting to know it and the people. I don't have a problem really with travellers. It's just the tourism thing has gotten so out of hand. I think it tourism is now in the top two earners for the NZ economy.
I've been in Canberra too btw, briefly (here's my 3 day assessment ). I lived in the "slum that looks good on a postcard" () for a summer and headed south for a bit. Canberra is a very strange place - do you notice that living there? . I kind of liked it though.
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Feb 4, 2004
It was a good break, thanks for asking. No actual fishing, though; that's just my cop-out phrase for periods when I'm avoiding responsibility .
I've been in the L**m void too, but mostly keeping my mouth shut for want of an intelligent comment. Goodness, there's been so *much* of it. Do you get the feeling you've opened a 44-gallon drum of worms? (Still, if you hadn't launched the discussion, I'd have done it myself.)
Canberra is . I've been here 4-and-a-half years, and I still can't work it out. It was designed to have no centre; the shops are hidden in back streets so they don't ruin the aesthetics of the main roads and there's bits of bushland in the middle of the place. No wonder we got flamed last summer. (That was surreal. Thick smoke for a week, the sun just an orange spot on a grey sky, and no birds at all. Cars driving about with melted fittings. Singed kangaroos causing traffic snarls. Worse than that, having to ask the Red Cross to find one's colleagues...) If Canberra has a TV equivalent, it can only be Twin Peaks. But then, I'm from Adelaide, which is what I consider 'normal'. Everyone else disagrees.
But enough about that. Which island are you on? South?
Ah, I did wonder if 'gone fishing' was a euphemism. "Avoiding respnsibility" is a highly useful skill to be much encouraged.
>>(Still, if you hadn't launched the discussion, I'd have done it myself.)<<
Luckily (or unluckily maybe) it soon developped a momentum of its own, so I got to share the worms with lots of people
I'd forgetten about the bush fires last summer. Do you know Moose on h2? She hasn't been on much lately, but she disappeared last year off and on as she had too dodge the fires
I remember the main streets in Canberra having no dairies or petrol stations. Isn't the parliament built into a hill or something? Is that the bit in the centre?
I'm in the South Island (aka the Mainland). East coast (indeterminate location as it's such a small place and I'm internet shy). I love the South Island - I feel like all of it is my home. Have been up North a few times, but it seems quite different culturally in a lot of ways.
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Feb 4, 2004
Nothing quite like sharing worms, is there? Everyone gets a fair serve out of this can, I think. (I've just noticed a new portion of worms - another new U-number - similar attributes to the others .)
I haven't 'met' Moose, but I've seen the personal space; I think I can guess which suburb she is/was in. I was lucky last summer, even though I did have to be outside engaging in melodramatic actions with the garden hose. I had ash and embers coming down on the house, and the radio (ABC 666; great call-sign for a Canberra station) kept saying horrific things about spot fires flaring up 10km ahead of the main front. At that time the main front was about 8km away as the singed crow flies, and headed in my direction. In the event it came no closer to me, but I'll happily admit that I've never been so scared in my life.
*thinks - I must write this up as some sort of entry - it might lay the curse a bit*
Yes, Parliament is built into a hill in the middle of town. Strange building. But I think it shows we know what to do with politicians - bury the lot of 'em, and treat the site as a roundabout.
Strangely, I have more of an idea about the South Island than I do about the North. My information's out of date, I suspect - most of it comes from various (eulogistic) things written by Ngaio Marsh anywhere up to 80 years ago. But I think she mentions somewhere the feeling that the North was a different place...
More of this later. I must get some sleep...
yeah fire is something. I was at a friend's once when the whole place burnt to the ground. No-one was in danger really but it was very intense. Bushfires would be another thing entirely.
I was in a fairly big earhquake last year - that was the scariest thing I have had happen in a bloody long time. Mainly because it lasted much longer than they normally do.
I do love the awesomeness of nature though
I haven't read any of Ngaio Marsh. There is alot of NZ writing I haven't read that I 'should' have. I suspect I will read more later in my life.
The South Island seems much wilder tham the North. There is more settlement in the North. Another big difference is that the South Island appears (to white people) to be very white. I'm pakeha (white) and I was in my teens before I understood that in the North Island there were all these communities/towns etc that were essentially Maori. I was taught Maori history in school as a thing of the past .
South Island Maori are here but to the white communities perhaps less visible? At least when I was growing up - things have changed alot in the last 20 yrs with the cultural renaissance.
There is not alot that would take me up North at the moment, but if I did go I'd be very interested to work and live in a predominantly Maori community. People don't think of NZ as being segregated but so many white people have no idea about Maori reality
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Feb 7, 2004
I'll add the Canberra Firestorm to my list of things to write for the Guide. Once I get a rough sketch written, I'll track down Moose for extra material - assuming Moose wants to get involved, of course.
On the subject of NZ literature - do you find that a lot of it is self-consciously trying to be distinctively NZ literature? 'Ozlit' suffers from this; so many books would be so much better if the author wasn't trying to write the Great Australian Novel.
>>do you find that a lot of it is self-consciously trying to be distinctively NZ literature?<<
If I'd read enough I might be able to answer you
There is definitely a literary set in NZ - it's quite fun reading 'about' their doings as they tend to be interesting people and get up to the usual sorts of mischief.
My favourite NZ novel is the bone people, which hardly fits the mould.
I heard you were having a bit of a tough time lately, yeah? I read the start of your journal thread - that is very full on. Hope you are doing ok and I gather you may be partial to some , so help yourself
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Feb 10, 2004
Yes, things are very very strange at the moment. So strange that I can't even remember what my next point about Ozlit was going to be. I'll come back to it later.
In the meantime, I'll just catch up with the latest on this Digibox business and then logoff, before I burst a blood vessel.
I'm totally gobsmacked about the digibox thing. I knew they were on about it, I didn't realise it was imminent. I can't quite get my head around that it has happened. The impact on the community was reason enough for them to not have done this, let alone the impact on the people who woke up today and couldn't get onto h2 *trying not to imagine what that would be like*.
I'm attempting, successfully so far, to stay out of responding to the argumentative stuff or I'll be too.
I should be going to bed I suppose
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Mar 7, 2004
I just dropped by to let you know that there was a documentary on keas on telly tonight. Well, keas and other things. There was footage of keas playing silly games in the snow and looking very cute; playing with discarded fast food containers and looking cute; and also playing in the carpark and destroying a four-wheel drive piece by piece in a really cute and expensive manner.
The obvious question is whether keas are generally seen as a problem for motorists, or whether the keas shown were just delinquents who need to get a better hobby... I'm assuming you haven't taken your nickname for any particular reasons of affinity with the vandals.
That sounds interesting Ivan. Was it recently made do you think? Do you know who made it? (NZ or offshore?)
>>I'm assuming you haven't taken your nickname for any particular reasons of affinity with the vandals.<<
oh I don't know..... This might sum it up better though:
>>Kea are very intelligent and very curious. This makes them highly entertaining, or highly annoying, depending on your perspective... <<
There was a documentary made here in the early 90s I think where they filmed kea eating the fat off the back of live sheep. It was ground breaking because farmers had been complaining about this for ages and no-one believed them.
I'm a vegetarian kea though
It'd be nice to see some information about kea that isn't just about their naughty antics. I guess I could write an Entry on it .
How are you doing? Are things still full on or have they settled down a bit?
I haven't seen you around so much recently. Mind you I'm tending to hang out in threads like "What's wrong with h2g2 researchers?". I really needed to get silly lately.
Ivan the Terribly Average Posted Mar 14, 2004
The documentary was a recent BBC/ABC thing; it may or may not have been part of 'Wild Australasia'. I can't be sure, owing to and similar things. All that really registered was the vandalism sequence, but I think there may have been a kakapo or two later in the programme.
Things are still pretty hectic here. I have one more week of work, then I'm off to Adelaide for a fortnight for The Operation. I just spoke to my sister, and let her know that I won't be spending every single minute of my visit with her, owing to the fact that I have a life and part of it is still in Adelaide even after a five-year absence. She took umbrage. Clearly, I'll be having an interesting time... I'll also be having a fortnight away from Hootoo, alas.
I feel the need to be silly, but I might wait until The Operation is over. In the meantime I've been lurking in 2Legs' journal and associated threads - silliness by association. This is a nice counter-balance to threads about Madrid. But the fact is I haven't posted much lately. My brain's full, and reading rather than posting is working for me.
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