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the dreaming doppelganger aka JEllen 42

This is a thread for Terri and visitors to her Eyes thread to record their latest or most interesting dreams. Enjoy! smiley - towel JEllen


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zendevil


21 April 2004

OK, last night/this morning:

I was with a woman/girl who had adopted a monkey of some sort, dark brown with beige face, very long limbs. Spider monkey type. It was very tame, we went out for a walk with it. It needed to pee & i had to encourage it to squat instead of lying on its back! I kept saying "Come on, fu-fu, you can do it!" The owner said "yes, you must use those words or it won't understand you!"

It performed, but then disappered, the owner went running off to look for it.

Some other (male) character appered & we searched for them together. Eventually found them in a zoo, looking into the monkeys cage. The pet monkey wanted to get inside & join its cousins. The owner didn't want to let it go. Eventually i persuaded her to do so; the monkey climbed through the bars & ran off to play, obviously very happy. The owner was tearful, we hugged & she eventually accepted that her pet would be happier with its friends & was being well fed & cared for (it was a huge cage, lots of toys etc & the monkeys could get out if they wanted by climbing through the bars, but dangerous animals couldn't get in & hurt them.)

OK, RL stuff:

"Fu-fu" is my "pet" name for Philippe, who is having major problems right now. We were not on the best of terms last weekend when he didn't want to stay over at my place unless there was a TV! But we haven't actually rowed, just being rather distant with each other.

My interpretaion of this dream is that i should give him a bit more space!

Quite coincidentally, this morning got an email from Moose, in which she says:

<<>>

Er.....is that smiley - weird or what?????

Comments welcome!

zdt




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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

"yes, you must use those words or it won't understand you!"

*giggle* That one you have the meanig of rightsmiley - smileyAre you sure you were dreaming then?


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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

I think you are right Terri.
Although teh space is probaby the emotional space he needs.
He needs you to trust that he will come back and be relatively happy, and he will be loyal when away.

You take the step to trust and it earns you trust too. Self feeding systemsmiley - ok
It mutiplies quickly from there!smiley - wizard
(You = all of ussmiley - winkeye)


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Post 5

zendevil


Gawd, abbi, i hadn't thought about the language thing at all! Just shows, when other people interpret stuff, they may see things that are staring you in the face!

It did occur to me that when the woman said "she needs a pee!" it could be "She needs a P"!!

The P in question seems to have calmed down a bit, he has just phoned & is back to a reasonable tome of voice (it's not difficult to tell when this guy is stressed out!)

He has been to see the social worker on my behalf about getting the deposit for new flat paid; it's complicated (naturally!) & he says he is sending me an email about it...so his beast must be slightly better? hope so!

zdt

*stop press* he just phoned back, the landlord of the possible new apartment won't deal with people who aren't working!(Despite the fact his rent being paid is MORE of a certainty 'cos social services pay him direct!) Back to the drawing board.*sigh*


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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

Better off without a landlord whom pre-judges such things negatively.
He probably has not consented before or he would know that the rent is more likely to be paid and that you will stay put long term.

Besides having a disability in many ways means taking care of yourself is a part time job. You cannot take as much for granted and all is a bit harder or modified in some way. We are often more predictable.

My Dad always said if he had to make the choice;(he did hire many people)
Jobs should go to the hungry first and apartments to those that who mostly need to stay inside of them.
smiley - love It best serves all involved.


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Post 7

zendevil


Wish your dad was my landlord!

*thinks* LandLORD...hmm, back to feudalism really isn't it?

smiley - zensmiley - devilserf Terri.


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abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

I wish he was too! In more ways than I can saysmiley - winkeye


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Post 9

hellboundforjoy

I came here and thought I'd wake up (get it? "wake up" bwahahaha - ahem) this thread. I saw the tag on JEllen's regular name and thought "lucidity test? Is there such a thing?" I kind of wish there were.

I am having PMS/PMT induced nightmares these days. Sometimes I don't mind nightmares but lately they've been really unpleasant. The nightmares that I don't mind are those that are at least somewhat lucid. Which to means to me that while I can't control anything, I do become aware that I am dreaming enough to know that I am not in any RL danger.

I have unusually vivid dreams during PMS/PMT. I don't usually remember enough of them to write them down or relate them. The nightmare I had yesterday morning had something to do with a decaying body and someone kept trying to open the container (did not seem to be a coffin or other normal post mortem container) it was in. I remember very little else about except being terrified of what ever it was.


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Post 10

zendevil


You CAN train yourself to control dreams & make them much more lucid, it takes about a month of hard work, but in my experience it's worth it.

What worked for me was:

Notebook & pen by bedside, write notes immediately.

Before going to sleep, tell yourself "i WILL remember dreams"

DECIDE what you want & need to dream about, don't pretend to yourself, if you havesmiley - yukstuff that needs sorting, say "OK, sort it for me please;" & don't avoid it; BUT once you have handed it over to your subconscious, try & give up fretting about it.

A useful exercise to help keep control of dreams is to ; as you are sliding into sleep, imagine the falling /nasty/nightmare dream, BUT whilst you are still in control....you can convert the falling into the lovely flying dream, which is the ultimate power trip of your OWN mind, after not much time you will never have to fear a falling type nightmare again, you laugh at the nasty demon & go soaring off!!!

I don't get the buried one, but i would think you could do the same, imagine lifting the lid & going smiley - nahnah & bursting out triumphantly! "YO that fooled you didn't it!!!"

Your dreams are YOURS & very powerful. Refuse to allow them to be hijacked by fear, take refuge in them instead.

Bonne rĂªve.

smiley - love

zdt


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Post 11

Ellen

That's a lovely post Terri. My new therapist and I shall be discussing dreams, and I am trying to write them down.


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Post 12

zendevil


Just had a really nasty one, most unusual for me. Very gory. It was weird because the viewpoint was through a TV camera, zooming in and out.

A tennis match, one of the guys looked a bit like Goran Ivanesevic, the other was a much softer type character, hippieish, long blonde hair.

The break time between sets came, the camera zoomed in on the hippie guy, he had a nasty wound to his eye, like boxers get; i thought "maybe he got whacked by the racket?" The Goran player came over and started sneering at him "hey, shall i give you a plaster (band-aid) for that huh???" and the hippie guy fell to the ground and suddenly had a massive head wound, blood absolutely gushing from him...unclear if he had been shot or what, camera focusing on the pool of blood and the drips onto the grass as they try and take him away. No first aid facilities, they are trying to stem the flow with tiny little towels.

Woke up in a real panic.

*The only interpretation i can think of for this is that viking, who i have (yet again!) split with, has long blond hair and often accuses me of hurting him emotionally, so i am presumably the other baddie player and feeling guilty for being the hard one in all this?

zdt


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Post 13

zendevil


3 dreams in a row, on or about February 26th.

1) Flying dream, i love my flying dreams!smiley - biggrin They are usually "lucid" dreams, quite often in the dream i say to people "you do realise we are only dreaming, we can't fly in real life you know!"

i'm in a big room, some sort of cabin , seems to be some sort of meeting/gathering, lots of people discussing what to do & seeming puzzled. I say "Look, it's really quite simple, you *can* fly, it's very easy!" they don't beleieve me, so whoosh....up i go; i am actually really very good at this! Up to about 10 feet & flip over & hover, glide around, do a bit of sho woff swooping then out of the window & right up....te he, helicopter height; nahe, let's go for aeroplane height....up up & away. Sweep around the countryside, which is mainly sort of prairie type. then feel a bit guilty so dive down & whizz to the cabin, hover in the window. "Come on, you can do it too!"

They are actually looking a bit worried, so i go back in through the window & land, try to show them how to do it. It seems very odd & very sad that some people can't; 'cos it seems so easy to me. eventually one or two manage it, & are delghted; OK, they aren't very graceful & keep crashing into things, not used to the other dimension yet! But eventually it works out & we all fly out of the window together & have great fun in the open sky, swooping around & playing tag!

2) I am in a small, dark house. Yoda is there, plus unidentified man. there is a bat, a red bat, he is obviously a pet, but for some reason he is very insecure & every time the man moves, he flies to him, clings to his shoulder, squeaking, very scared. the man doesn't like him & keeps trying to pull him off & give him to me. I say "Don't pull him, don't force him; talk to him gently & he will fly away bact to me when he's ready" the man is not convinced & the bat is unhappy.

Yoda starts mieaowing & goes to the window, leading into

3) yoda is in a nursery school, she is the communal pet, but the children aren't there, it's holiday time & i am the teacher, come in to prepare the classroom for the new term. i start arranging desks & stuff. Yoda ppears, meiawing horribly, i realise she is looking for her litter tray. It's not in the place i put it, i start feeling very annoyed, who has moved it?

Unidentified man appears, he says "There it is!" It's on the kid's desks. i go ballistic "You can't leave that there, it's dirtys, its full of s**t; that's not the right place!" he arguse, we end up having a tug of war over the cat litter. Yoda runs off, scared & i realise the bat is out too "Now look what you've done, tha bat has to be kept inside, he can't cope with the outside, it's dangerous!"

OK JEllen, what would your interpretation be? I found all this very very easy to figure out, but i'd love to see if you agree!

zdt


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Post 14

Ellen

Well, the flying bit sounds positively marvelous and fun! No need to interpret that one necessarily, it is just a good thing.

As for the line about the bat, it sounds like a reference to Viking - "be gentle, don't force him."

Lastly, the litterbox in a classroom is the guy who was trying to bring up s**t from your childhood/past.


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Post 15

zendevil


Yup, i se the whole thing as being about the viking situation, not surprising since i am currently obsessed with it!

1) i see as the fact that i have managed to learn how to break free of the nasties & fly; so i am trying to show him how to do likewise & how much fun it can be.

2) The bat is indeed his personal demon & wants to cling to him; if he tries "forcing" & ripping it off, all that will happen is it gets angry & attacks him. If he gently persuades it to let go, it will probably come flying back to me; & i can cope, in fact i quite like the bat, he is silly when he squeaks & isn't really heavy on my shoulder & can be damn useful if somebody bothers you, set the bat on them!

3) This is me drawing the line: yes; i will help you get better, but there is a place to dump your s**t & it's not on the innocents; don't dump it on your kids, don't dump it on me. Put it in the right place so somebody can come along & regularly clean it out. And that bat isn't ready to be released into the outside world yet, don't be tempted to go to the other extreme & start squeaking to everyone about your s**t; 'cos they can't cope.

zdt


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Ellen

I dreamed the other day that a little girl about 9 years old was trying to kill me because I wouldn't give her ice cream money. She walked up and pressed hard at that vulnerable spot at the base of the neck in front. I couldn't scream or do anything. When I finally got away I ran to my Dad and told him, but he didn't believe me.

What do you make of that?!


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Post 17

zendevil


I would think it's the "bad" side of yourself; when you wrestle with your conscience. My grandma always used to say when i was being really naughty "It's the devil coming out of you!" & i used to get frightened, 'cos i really did think i had satan inside me & logically it would seem a good thing to get him out, so logically, the more naughty stuff you did, the better!

In the dream, when you ran to dad to protect you, what was his response?

zdt


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Post 18

zendevil


I mean, "why" didn't he believe you? Did he say you were lying or what?

zdt


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Post 19

Ellen

He saw the little girl and was like, "Oh what a cute kid!" and I was saying, "No, we're in danger!"


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Post 20

zendevil


So you are trying to tell daddy that in this case in fact, you know better than him; even though he is the adult & you are the child.

I would think this relates very much to the way your roles are now reversed, with you being carer for your parents.

Did you ever do the "dream diary" thing with the new therapist? How are you getting on with her?

zdt


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