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Post 1

Sho - employed again!

I'm not going to comment in the thread but I am going to keep an eye on it. I came over to say that I am glad that you are pushing this one again, I can't help but feel it's pushing the boulder up the mountain type of work.


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Post 2

Pinniped


Thanks Sho. Yes, boulder-pushing all right.
I'm working on a new version, intercutting it with quotes and referencing the key sources. I wouldn't bother, except there's a fair chance that it might actually improve the piece.

I've had some interesting correspondence as a result of this piece, some of it involving past and present journalists. I've learned a lot more too. One of the strange things is that the piece that could be written (and substantiated) gets more and more challenging to the establishment.

The BBC's own behaviour was actually pretty disgraceful. They doctored the sequence of events in broadcast footage, and were eventually obliged to apologise for this in July 1991. I won't be putting that in the Entry, but it makes it supremely ironic that they run so scared of getting handbagged by the Daily Mail should they put this rather mild version of events on the Front Page.

The one thing I regret about the Orgreave piece is the indirect harm done to h2g2. Jimster got so tied in knots trying to defend a stupid editorial position that he altered the Writing Guidelines to try and stop dramatised accounts getting into the Edited Guide. Today's italics still defend him over this. Fortunately, other Researchers are now getting away with ignoring the offending Guideline, but the effect on newbies is surely toxic.

This is a pretty instructive account if you're interested: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shafted-Media-Miners-Strike-Aftermath/dp/1898240051


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Post 3

Sho - employed again!

Thanks for that. Being away from Sheffield means that I sort of feel it because it is still my home, but I look on from outside in a kind of stunned disbelief.

and unfortunately the BBC and the police do not come out of it all well - but then at least we have all got to the point where most people recognise it.

as for the effect it had on the guide - if nothing else it clarified what the BBC really want out of it. Something soft and fluffy.


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Post 4

Pinniped


Strange, isn't it?

There's plenty of edge around hootoo, in the UnderGuide and Front Paged even, but just not in the Edited Guide.

I don't understand the motivation.

Can I change the subject? You rooting for the Blades Sunday, just for once?


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Post 5

Sho - employed again!

I'll let you in to a little secret. Don't tell anyone else... I always always root for The Blades - except if they are playing against the Owls.

There, I've said it. In a divided town I actually support both teams!! (although the Owl tattoo gives it away that I'm slightly more in favour of the blue lot)

But... I've no actual idea what's going on - are your lot going up this year? I'm still smiley - rofl becuase I think my smiley - chef team will be playing my lot next season.


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Post 6

Pinniped


I root for the Owls too, whenever they're playing in a game that matters. Fortunately that doesn't happen very oftensmiley - winkeye.

Still, if either of those ignominious defeats to you lot this year had been a win instead, United would already be Premiership-bound. If we'd just so much as drawn one of them, a simple point today would send us up.

Instead, the picture on the last day of the season is:
13.15 BST Sunday = ko : Reading v Birmingham City and Crystal Palace v Sheffield United

Permutations :
Birmingham beat Reading = Birmingham promoted to Premiership
Reading either draw or win at Birmingham and Blades fail to beat Palace = Reading promoted to Premiership
Reading either draw or win at Birmingham and Blades beat Palace = Blades promoted to Premiership
(the unpromoted two sides out of Brum/Reading/Blades will be in the play-offs also with Cardiff and probably Preston)

Quite exciting, yeah?

Oh, and then just for spice there's the small matter of Palace's manager, some guy called Warnock standing against us in a must-win game.

(I'm probably being thick, but who's this smiley - chef team, then?)


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Sho - employed again!

It is exciting and I'll be following the results closely this afternoon.

Sorry to have beaten you twice - but that's how it is. Somehow Wednesday are have actually played something closely resembling smiley - football this season, which always catches people out.

(not that I actually watch a lot of footie - my smiley - chef keeps me up-to-date whether I want it or not)

Oh sorry - he's a... wait for it... Middlesborough supporter smiley - rofl

But I have to say, I do admire their chairman - he will stick by a manager and take the long view. Even though Southgate should be long gone by now.

So... smiley - goodluck today.


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Post 8

Pinniped


My boss supports Boro toosmiley - snork

Wednesday have flattered to deceive (again) this season. They're an exasperating team to support, I know - several of my good mates truly feel it. They play out of their skins once in a while, when there's something in it (like a Steel City Derby), but most of the time they seem content to turn up and be pretty. Except they're not even pretty these days. At least in the days when I really despised Wednesday, they had the decency to be a wonderful, ridiculous example of Catwalk Football.


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Post 9

Sho - employed again!

Well, to be honest, I'm not that keen on football (apart from the occasional opportunity to letch) but I have been married to my smiley - chef, who is a football nut, for 24 years - it's a case of joining in.

We do occasionally go to a match together, but not for a while now. But the statistics do interest me. And I'm still chortling over the YouTube Hitler Sheffield United thing.
smiley - biggrin


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Post 10

Sho - employed again!

so far, so good, then.

Still got my fingers crossed for The Blades - it's making typing awkward.


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Post 11

Pinniped


Yep.
Burnley at Wembley after two solid legs against Preston. (Reading gone, predictably after fizzling so horribly).
It'll be a good game. Hope Halford's fit. He was pretty damn heroic for a crazed giraffe in that second leg.
And, as an aside, David Unsworth's contract terminated by Huddersfield Town, so he won't even be playing Leeds in League One next year. That'll please Adolf.
Boro got a point today, which means that a last-match win could keep them up if Newcastle don't win and Man U thrash Hull. In fact, if West Brom avoid defeat tomorrow v Liverpool, we'll have the first time ever that every team in the Premiership could still stay up on the final day.
Well, you did say you like the statisticssmiley - winkeye

Tell you what, cheer for Scunny too, will you? My other team (birth town). They're in the League One play-off final v Millwall, those two teams having done football a huge service by keeping down Leeds and the Franchise (ie MK Dons). And to complete the set, there's Shrewsbury in the League Two final v Gillingham. Shrewsbury are Waz's local team, and she's really mis-timed her honeymoon...


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Post 12

Sho - employed again!

That's a lot of fingers to cross - but just for you...

I'm secretly hoping Boro go down - if we can't be playing United next season, I need someone to crow over.

Scunny had better beat Millwall - I'm all for keeping London clubs as far down as possible (as well as Leeds). I'm ambivalant about the MK Dons though - because I love their name. (sorry)


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Post 13

Pinniped


I don't think you need to hope too hard about Boro. If anybody's given up down there in the basement, it's Southgate. He'd better not have thrown his Pizza Hut paper bag away, because he'll be needing it in restaurants again.

Millwall only lost twice to one team this year - Scunny. So let's hope they'll go on to lose three.
(Blades have no chance to lose a third time to the only team to beat them twice, I'm glad to saysmiley - biggrin)


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Post 14

Sho - employed again!

The only team to beat them twice? Who was that...


Good luck for the big 'un tomorrer

Post 15

Sho - employed again!

Seriously. I shall be mightily peeved if your lot aren't promoted.
smiley - goodluck


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Post 16

Sho - employed again!

Oh. Well. That's disappointing.

Still, on the bright side: that's 12 easy points for my lot next season.


Good luck for the big 'un tomorrer

Post 17

Pinniped


They didn't play. (Except Ward, who as some wag remarked was playing netball).
I'm not too upset, because I don't think United actually deserved to make the Premiership. Only Wolves out of that league did. (Reading looked deserving too, till their horrible disintegration from February onwards).
Not just the two Wednesday defeats, but also the Forest and Southampton draws in the run-in, plus two in-season Burnley defeats, of course - how can you really complain when all that adds up?
The mid-season sale of the one genuine striker in the squad (James Beattie) should have killed us, but bloody-mindedness and a tactic based on Henderson knocking down punts-in for the midfield raiders got us this close. But with Henderson out injured the writing was on the wall today before kick-off.
So Blackwell couldn't finally conjure his miracle of promotion without a striker. Shame they couldn't have spent a bit of Tevez-bunce on a decent one. Or maybe they should have commissioned an extra chapter from Dawkins, to persuade Our Kev that praying won't make Craig Beattie a Championship goalscorer in a month of Sundays.
Best news this weekend - Scunny up. It'll be crowded in there next season, Sheffield x 2, Barnsley, Donny and Scunny. Your mate Laws against his old club again. Juicy.
As for Boro, how gone are they? It could be down to League One unless they find some self-esteem from somewhere (preferably in part-exchange for Southgate).


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Post 18

Sho - employed again!

Oh down to League One? I would smiley - rofl

I think maybe a couple of Seasons and your lot will be back up again. In the meantime, we can enjoy the Yorkshire League.

smiley - cheers


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