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2legs - Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side...

By the dredful so-called 'science', economics, history, sociology of the so-called 'experts' talking this evening on a radio four program about the 'baby boomer generation'.
These are ment to be experts. Some of them at least have published books on this subject. Not one of them really 'has it'.
Because, as far as they are concerned the world doesn't exist outside London, and outside the middle and upper-middle classes. They're entire premise is utter ballderdash because whatever they might think between themselves, and their small group of middle class and upper middle class friends in London, there is actually a lot more of the country that isn't in that little box they all narrow it down to. Once outside the middle/upper middle classes, and in particular once outside London and to some extent the 'home countys' their entire logic well isn't logical as it doesn't fit the picture of observible fact... and they get to make money from their misinformed ramblings .. smiley - headhurts (OK I didn't hear the entire program as I was at risk of being forced to throw my wireless out of my ex-council house window... but I can't imagine they suddenly demonstrated any semebalance of understanding the actual world that all asides those in their elete social circles move in...) smiley - grrsmiley - grrsmiley - grrsmiley - zen
smiley - zen


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Pierre de la Mer ~ sometimes slightly worried but never panicking ~

hmmm, makes a lot of sense smiley - erm

right, who are you and what have you done to 2legs? smiley - cross

smiley - pirate


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Lanzababy - Guide Editor

you took the words right out of my mouth Pierce smiley - laugh


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2legs - Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side...

Oi! I'm not just a pretty face you know... smiley - ermsmiley - ok maybe that is stretching the truth somewhat, I'm just not* a pretty face... smiley - erm
*thinks*
I'm not just a cheap tart you know... I have been to university and everything, I had work published before I left school and went on after graduating with the highest degree ward ever at my Uni, to go do a Masters degree smiley - tongueout I'm multifaceted... smiley - erm hmmm... 'multifaceted'... that could be misinterprited.... or not smiley - snorksmiley - zen
Seriously... these guys, and they were pretty-much all* guys, on the radio.. Just well... makes you wonder how they managed to learn nothing at university, as they really couldn't immagine a world outside there own I'd bet.. smiley - headhurts
Just as bad mind, was the woman, on the radio earlier today... some fancy job titles I forget, but it was the kidn of job title that nowdays gets you about £300000 per year... talking about the 'national average wage'... which is apprently about £22K smiley - erm Thing is... it was obvious that when she's talkign about this, she doesn't quite understand how, her, and each of her friends who's earning way way above teh national average, means that somehwere, there is a dozen or more people earning less* than the nat av wage smiley - grrsmiley - zensmiley - weirdsmiley - zen
LLike I say, its just bad academia, put over as if it were good, validated, sound science, economics socialogy or some such, when its nothign of the sort smiley - scientistsmiley - geek

smiley - erm

Right as you were... smiley - zen

smiley - blush


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Taff Agent of kaos

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he's a well educated, cheap/expensive(delete as apropriate) tart!!!

smiley - bat


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2legs - Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side...

ahhh... but I'm pretty sure I was a tart before I got well educated....


Its like the ancient Chinese Proverb: Once a tart always a tart ... hmmm... I think that is an accurate translation smiley - winkeyesmiley - snorksmiley - blush

Like I say... multifaceted... smiley - zensmiley - handcuffs


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Post 7

Mol - on the new tablet

I know exactly where you're coming from on this, 2legs, drives me mad as well. There's a whole raft of 'experts' (and other influential people, including most if not all MPs) who have *absolutely no idea*.

I'm also getting mighty p*ssed off about the 'really tough budget coming up' press - presumably this is so that tonight we're all supposed to go, well it wasn't *that* tough smiley - rolleyes.

Mol


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2legs - Hey, babe, take a walk on the wild side...

Its just the huge* differnce between these people, who at the end of the day are the ones making the laws, doing the research that influences laws, and putting in place the structures that determine largely how the majority* of society live their lives.... Yet, these people are so far out of touch with what it might actually be like to be a 'normal' person with a normal, or lower than normal income, they just don't get it... smiley - headhurtssmiley - doh


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Mol - on the new tablet

Yup.

I mean, it's easy to do, it's probably really only because of my job that I have the awareness I have, and I have to keep explaining to my family how very lucky we are even though we are (apparently) the only family in the village not to have a Wii smiley - rolleyes. But these people are *paid* to know, and have a responsibility to try to address the problems. How can they?

That MPs in a tower block TV thing got my goat, because the people who *actually* live in those conditions *have no escape*. They don't get to walk away after a fortnight. And that's the point, that's why people get ground down.

Sigh.

Mol


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Post 10

You can call me TC

Hear Hear!! to Post 1. I agree that Radio 4 and all these publications claiming to be expert studies only seem to cover the speaker/author's limited horizon.

Sometimes it's nice to listen to/read about people like that, especially for expats like me, to get a feeling of everything still being OK on the mother ship.

But when a meaty discussion on Radio 4 starts up, with someone trying to point out that life exists outside the WASP/London area demographic, they soon get told to shut up.

So - what are we going to do about making hootooers more diverse? That's something that's always bothered me. Anyone who doesn't fit the usual template doesn't last long here, either. I once asked Mark Moxon about this, back when he was an Italic. I think he said they were trying to expand in other directions, but not much seems to have come of that.


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You can call me TC

Sorry, spent a bit of time typing my comments and interrupted a decent conversation there.

As you were.


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Br Robyn Hoode - Navo - complete with theme tune

If it helps, I'm 25-35. Brought up in a council house in a single parent family, in the west country. Never went to university. And I'm a mechanic by training and trade...


Ok, I was born in Aylesbury and we lived in leighton buzzard, but we'd moved into a caravan in scotland by the time I turned six when my parents split up and moved down here a short while later.

I dont think I'm middle or upper middle class, nor do I live in london or the home counties. In fact, I'm pretty working class. I'm even in a union smiley - yikessmiley - rofl.

And i've been here a couple of years now! MWUAHAHAHAHAHA!


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Pierre de la Mer ~ sometimes slightly worried but never panicking ~

As it turns out there is smiley - book smart and smart

and then there are smiley - biggrin

smiley - pirate


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Post 14

Hypatia

What is considered the poverty level in the UK? I ask because in the US there is quite a gap between "average" income and what is considered "poverty" and thus eligible for benefits. This leaves an enormous number of people who can't support a comfortable lifestyle yet aren't able for assistance. It's maddening.


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Br Robyn Hoode - Navo - complete with theme tune

Hmm...

The minimum wage is supposed to be enough to support a person in their life.

I know plenty of people who earn less than I do (just under 18k after tax) and I'm a skilled, qualified mechanic working for a national company (hell, I'm practically a civil servant).

If I were just trained to file paperwork, use a computer and type (which is what I do nowadays... Except that it's so much mor than that, but regardless...) I'd be starting on around 12k for the same hours (37.5 - 40 hours a week) from what I've looked at.

I dont know many people in my social life (i.e. not including managers I work with) who earn more than 20k let alone the 'average'...


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