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Belief Project and Subbing

Post 1

Mu Beta

OK - I've given this project the once-over; here are some thoughts:

Individually, the entries don't look like they'll present many problems (even GTB's smiley - winkeye ). However, and this - I'm afraid - is the engineer in me coming to the fore, it would be nice to impose some sort of structure to it.

Obviously, these entries won't sit down nicely and be categorised. But I do think they could make quite a nice chapter-by-chapter chain of entries, starting of course with the 'Definitions' entry, and probably finishing with GTB's critique.

I therefore seek:

a) Your approval of turning these entries into a sequential order 'book' type of thing, and of creating a little chain of links to put across the top and bottom of the entry.
b) A bit of banter about which order to put the entries in. I have a few thoughts, but then I know very little about the subject matter.
c) Perhaps some pithy sentences to link each entry to the next.

B


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Post 2

a girl called Ben

I confess my momentum on this one has completely drained away. I agree that they need some structure, though, and am extatically happy with the idea that someone else imposes it! (There's something for your U-Name - Master B - Makes a broad called Ben extatically happy!) smiley - winkeye

I still haven't made copies, and I know I should. Dont let me being busy/lazy slow you down though.

If you give me a suggested order, I can re-read them, and work on some intros/links.

B


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Post 3

Mu Beta

Name changed - and I can spell, too. smiley - winkeye

I would make copies - I generally don't bother taking entries off-line to edit, so there is a very small chance that one may go AWOL.

OK - a suggested running order, the general theme being Introduction -> Belief -> Religion -> Science:

- Defining Terms of Belief
- Why Do We Have Beliefs
- The stages of belief
- Why are Beliefs held so dearly
- The evolutionary advantages of faith
- Medieval heresy
- Why someone might choose neo-paganism...
- Joining and Leaving a minority religion
- Will the social sciences sell its soul...
- Perceived dichotomy between spirituality and sexuality
- Biological basis of belief [hmmm... sexuality - biology. That should be prime for a pithy link smiley - biggrin ]
- Neurotheology
- Science as a religion
- Critique of belief

That seems like a fairly sensible arrangement to me.

B


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Post 4

a girl called Ben

Ok - I will read them in that order when I get home this evening, and come up with some links.

And believe me - this makes me *very* happy!

smiley - smooch

B


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Post 5

Mu Beta

smiley - blush Pleased to hear it smiley - blush

B


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Post 6

a girl called Ben

If you've changed yours, then I'd better change mine! smiley - winkeye


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Post 7

Mu Beta

This is starting to look a bit suspicious. smiley - smiley

B


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Post 8

Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like


Yup, people will start talking. I shall, of course be one of them and misleading them all as much as possible...smiley - winkeye

smiley - shark


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Post 9

a girl called Ben

Well, they confuse us in threads as it is!

B


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Post 10

Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like


Mmm, well, ok. Not sure how'd they do that

Ben - purveyor of calm common sense and the odd barbed comment.

Ben - purveyor of smut, filth and not much else.

smiley - smiley

smiley - shark


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Post 11

Mu Beta

Sorry, which one was which again? smiley - devil

B


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Post 12

a girl called Ben

"purveyor of smut, filth and not much else?"

That is one of the *nicest* things anyone has said to me, Blues, and Hoo called me "evil" the other day, which cheered me up immensely!

B


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Blues Shark - For people who like this sort of thing, then this is just the sort of thing they'll like


Well, Ben knows who I was talking about even if Ben didn't...smiley - laugh

smiley - shark


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Post 14

Mu Beta

smiley - huh

**fears for Shark's sanity**

Would it be easier for you if we just merged into one persona? 'a broad called Master Ben', perhaps?

B


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Post 15

Mina

The 'love's young dream' feeling in this thread is lovely. Awww...


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Post 16

Mu Beta

smiley - yuk

B


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Post 17

a girl called Ben

Ok - here are my suggestions - but they are only suggestions. Feel free to sex them up!

++++++++++++++++++++++

This project looks at beliefs and asks a lot of awkward questions. The answers vary from the deeply personal, via the informal, to the academic. Although the authors' own beliefs don't quite manage the full gamut from being Athiest to Zoroastrian there are entries here written from a wide range of perspectives. The different approaches and tones of voice mean that there are questions, and possibly answers, for everyone somewhere in this project.

We start simply, by "Defining the Terms of Belief"

- Defining Terms of Belief

The first of the big questions is "Why?" - so the next entry gives one Researcher's answer to the question "Why do we have beliefs?"

- Why Do We Have Beliefs

If "Why?" is the first question about belief, then "How?" is probably the second. The next entry looks at how beliefs and believers change and mature through one - or possibly several - lifetimes and provides a couple of definitions of "The stages of belief"

- The stages of belief

Beliefs can clearly mean different things to different people, but what makes what we believe so fundamental to who we are? The next entry takes a short look at one possible answer to the question "Why are beliefs held so dearly?"


- Why are Beliefs held so dearly

We have seen that what we beleive is core to who and what we are. But why should this be the case? The next entry argues that we do not have faith because we are human, but in fact we have faith because we are animals and it discusses "The evolutionary advantages of faith".


- The evolutionary advantages of faith

From the deep past of our species, to the murky past of Christianity. The next entry takes a scholarly look at politics, power struggles and "Medieval heresy"


- Medieval heresy

As we have seen, wherever there is a mainstream, there will be alternatives to it. From Medieval heresy we look at a very personal piece which explains "Why someone might choose neo-paganism"


- Why someone might choose neo-paganism...

Not all forays away from the mainstream are either happy or permanent. The next entry is another personal piece, and looks at the causes and consequences of "Joining and Leaving a minority religion"


- Joining and Leaving a minority religion

A creed does not always have a religious base. Atheism too has its demands and conformities. The next entry is an energetic and challenging entry asking the lively question "Will the social sciences sell its soul?"


- Will the social sciences sell its soul...

From social sciences to sexuality is a short step, though in some cases the step from sexuality to spirituality is a large one. The next entry surveys the place of sexuality in a number of different religious traditions: some have embraced it, others have rejected it. "The peceived dichotomy between sexuality and spirituality" is a challenge to all of us in the liberal liberated libertarian west.


- Perceived dichotomy between spirituality and sexuality

You do this pithy link - you obviously want to. (I found Noggins entry tough going, to be honest!)


- Biological basis of belief

If belief has a biological basis, surely that biological basis must be in the brain. The next entry on the new science of "Neurotheology" looks at what happens when we have God on the brain.

- Neurotheology


Science takes pot-shots at religion all the time, criticising hierarchical structures and 'blind faith'. The next entry is one researcher's response, and considers "Science as a religion"


- Science as a religion

"Which brings us back to 'doh'". Our final entry looks at the grammatical structures surrounding the use of the word "belief" and provides a "Critique of belief"


- Critique of belief


That's about it. I would like additional links to A827381 and to A778034 and any other appropriate Edited Entries. It is probably worth saying somewhere that the most of the authors of the entries have written other pieces on related subjects.

Thanks for doing this Master B!

B


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Post 18

Mu Beta

Perfect! smiley - ok

B


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Post 19

a girl called Ben

My pleasure! I really am grateful that you have taken this on, btw. It stalled because of my apathy and GTB's real life, and it will be good to get it all on the front page at last.

Ben


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Post 20

Mu Beta

OK - you can stop saying thank you now - I get the message. smiley - winkeye

B


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