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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Started conversation Feb 2, 2018
Entry: Three Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations - A87904029
Author: Dmitri Gheorgheni - U1590784
Why do they sing about Jerusalem? Is it history? Is it religion? Is it Jerusalem Syndrome?
A brief exploration, with tons of links.
A87904029 - Three Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
minorvogonpoet Posted Feb 3, 2018
This is ambitious, Dmitri! Taking on one of the oldest and most intransigent of arguments.Though you've stayed even handed
As always, your article is well written and informative. However, I wasn't sure at the end whether the '1878 poem' is the 'Hatikvah' or something else.
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 3, 2018
Thanks for reading and commenting, MVP.
I went back and rethought that sentence. I also rethought the title - I've mentioned more than three songs - and added something at the beginning. I hope it's all a bit clearer now. That turned into a long journey.
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minorvogonpoet Posted Feb 4, 2018
Thanks for the clarification.
I've checked all the links and found that 'Lamentation over Boston' isn't available where I hang out.
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 4, 2018
Thank you for checking those links, kind person! It's always those 'official' videos that aren't available everywhere, isn't it?
I've replaced that link with a less commercial one - let me know if you can hear the bombast now. (And please ignore the comments - obviously these people have no musical sense of humour.)
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 4, 2018
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Bluebottle Posted Feb 5, 2018
Ooh, this wasn't what I was expecting at all.
Incidentally, The Melodians never made it across the Atlantic. Boney M's cover 'Rivers of Babylon/Brown Girl in the Ring', however, was huge. And I mean huge. Officially it is the UK's 6th biggest-selling song of all time, after 'Candle in the Wind (Diana's Snuffed It)' by Elton John, 'Do They Know It's Christmas?' by Band Aid, 'Mull of Kintyre' by Sir Paul McCartney and Wings, 'Bohemian Rhapsody' by Queen and 'You're The One That I Want' by Olivia Newton-John Travolta. (In comparison, 'White Christmas' is about the 140th best-selling single of all time in the UK, mainly based on sales in 1977 when Bing Crosby died, as initial sales on first release was before the chart started).
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A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 5, 2018
Oh, yeah - I remember that Boney M version. For the same reason: I lived in Europe at the time. Which is why mentioning Rasputin is not a good idea...
I am pleased to have surprised you, BB.
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Bluebottle Posted Feb 5, 2018
I must admit I was expecting you to be writing about William Blake's 'Jerusalem':
'And did those in ancient time walk upon England's mountain's green?'
to which the answer is 'no'.
I know how much you've enjoyed critiquing patriotic songs in the past and thought you'd be analysing one of England's most patriotic songs from a US perspective. After all, Americans have turned 'God Save the Queen' into 'My Country 'Tis of Thee' (which is fair enough, considering we nicked it in the first place) and not content to set every Shakespeare adaptation in American High Schools, the US have turned Elgar's 'Land of Hope and Glory' into a song set in American High Schools too.
Blake's poem 'Jerusalem' combined with Sir Hubert Parry's music is very enjoyable nonsense that is great fun singing along to at the proms. Lots of imagery about Satanic Mills, bows of burning gold, chariots of fire etc before concluding with the moving line, 'Till we have built Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land'. If you think of singing about 'England's green and pleasant land' in the same way you sing of 'sky of blue and sea of green in our Yellow Submarine' it is perfectly fine. But as with all patriotic songs, some people like to take it a bit further. And let's face it, England won't be a green and pleasant land much longer if you keep building gurt big cities all over it. If I had to choose a foreign city to build in England, my choice would be for one about the size of Wells or smaller, with lovely architecture and culture - and a flat-line crime rate. Of all the cities on , Jerusalem – despite/because of its unique place in history – comes with a lot of baggage. Do we really want the hassle?
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A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 5, 2018
I briefly considered including Blake's 'Jerusalem', but didn't, for the reasons you've mentioned. Such as, it has nothing to do with Jerusalem, either the earthly or the heavenly, especially the way it's used today. Which is a shame: Blake meant it to be a call to reform. At least, I think he did.
Blake, of course - who was nutty as two fruitcakes, which is why I love him - never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like. He dressed up like a Druid, was a British Israelite, and had angels over for supper (and two glasses of porter every night). Blake had Jerusalem syndrome without leaving the comforts of home...
I agree wholeheartedly: why not build a smaller, prettier town? But then, most English would hate it if it was 'foreign-looking', wouldn't they? Why monkey with the perfection that is the green and pleasant land?
Believe it or not, Philadelphia was originally conceived as following the model of the heavenly Jerusalem. You can see how *that* turned out.
Speaking of 'Pomp and Circumstance', as we call the Elgar gem: you just brought up a memory. One fine day in 1970, they assembled all of us seniors in the auditorium to practice for the graduation ceremony.There was no music, so at the instigation of some choir members, all the guys hesitation-stepped into the aisles whistling 'Land of Hope and Glory', a la 'Bridge Over the River Kwai'. So our last act as high schoolers was to annoy the vice principal.
I'd love to read your version of a 'Jerusalem'-based guide entry. Unfortunately, there's no US perspective on it. Nobody who doesn't watch the Proms, which is 99.9% of the population here, has ever heard of the song.
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Bluebottle Posted Feb 7, 2018
Thanks for sharing the story about graduation
I just remembered that when we were planning our wedding 15 years ago, my wife read in a magazine that 'Jerusalem' is the most popular wedding hymn in the UK. Possibly because couples getting married in a church suddenly think, ', I've got to choose a song what mentions God and isn't 'Away in a Manger' or 'God Save the Queen' - '
In fact it was so popular that the Church of England had officially banned its use as a wedding hymn on the grounds that it is nonsense, until of course Prince William and Kate Middleton announced they wanted it in their ceremony too.
Still not particularly romantic, is it? I'd say more than - well, unless you are Cupid asking, 'Bring me my Bow of burning gold, Bring me my Arrows of desire'. Are 'clouded hills' a euphemism? As for 'Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand', I don't want to know what that means in a marital context.
Do you think that 'Hey babe, want to build Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant Land? Nudge nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean – say no more!' would make a good chat-up line this Valentine's Day?
Anyway, sorry about going a bit off topic, I'll write about what you've actually written next time, honest!
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 7, 2018
That riff was so much more entertaining than talking about the entry...
I shall never hear 'Jerusalem' the same way again.
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Bluebottle Posted Feb 8, 2018
(Incidentally I mean no offense to anyone who had 'Jerusalem' as a hymn at their own wedding and hope you see my comments above as being good natured banter in nature rather than criticism. If I didn't like the song, I wouldn't enjoy playing with it.)
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A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor Posted Feb 25, 2018
The church wedding I attended on Saturday (in an official capacity) chose three pieces of music (by live musicians as opposed to a cd player, and very nice it was too), there was no singing at all.
They carried on playing until everyone except for church staff had exited the building and I made a point of thanking them
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Feb 25, 2018
A87904029 - Some Songs About Jerusalem: With a Few Explanations
Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor Posted Feb 25, 2018
I would have thanked them anyway, but I noticed no-one else had, and yes, they both smiled and said I was welcome
In case you're wondering, the service music was "Wind Beneath My Wings"; "You Are So Beautiful"; and the exit music was "All You Need Is Love" which instantly made me think of the hootoo connection
The musicians warmed up before the bridal party arrived, I was quite busy but I did hear "All Of Me" - the cd by John Legend had been the choice of my son at his wedding to Linzi
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- 3: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Feb 3, 2018)
- 4: minorvogonpoet (Feb 4, 2018)
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