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Post 101

SEF

"*No-one* has any *right* to have a graphic."

The staff believe and act as though *they* do.

Also, part of the purpose of this review forum (as with others) seems to be to determine some concept of whether an individual club has a "right" to a graphic as well as addressing the details of such a graphic. This is much along the same lines as whether an article is fit/right for the EG along with tweaking certain details. Perhaps you would prefer the phrase "qualify for a graphic". The intent remains the same and most reasonable people would have understood that.

Of course on h2g2 (as in real life) one is not generally dealing with people who are reasonable. Unfortunately round here that means a certain number of dishonest people who are deliberately trying to be unreasonable and misrepresent things said by all sorts of people all over the site for the alleged "benefit" of everyone else - especially their misguided friends and associates. As I have seen, these friends nevertheless occasionally seem to manage to see the truth or part of it eventually but are reluctant or scared to speak out in public on the side of truth and soon revert to being sycophantic. There is probably a certain degree of 1984-style revisionist history mentality too in which those people convince themselves they hadn't seen what they saw. This is not entirely dissimilar to an SEP field - consciously or subconsciously imposed.


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Post 102

Mr Ixolite

>>>"Also, part of the purpose of this review forum (as with others) seems to be to determine some concept of whether an individual club has a "right" to a graphic as well as addressing the details of such a graphic. This is much along the same lines as whether an article is fit/right for the EG along with tweaking certain details. Perhaps you would prefer the phrase "qualify for a graphic". The intent remains the same and most reasonable people would have understood that."

Try 'eligable for a graphic'.


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Post 103

SEF

No thankyou, I prefer to spell things correctly.


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Post 104

Mr Ixolite

I prefer to spell things T H I N G S


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Post 105

Tango

Are you attempting to correct SEF's spelling of the word "things"? Because if you are, then i don't know why, considering you both spelt it the same (correct) way... smiley - erm

Tango


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Post 106

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

I prefer to spell Thursdays T H I N G S


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Post 107

Tango

yes, i'm sure you do. please try to keep posts relevent to the discussion.

Tango


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Post 108

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

"please try to keep posts relevent to the discussion"

smiley - rofl

smiley - laugh

smiley - rofl

smiley - puff

smiley - biggrin

smiley - blush

smiley - sorry, couldn't help myself... smiley - winkeye


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Post 109

Spelugx the Beige, Wizard, Perl, Thaumatologically Challenged

smiley - somersault Well the e-word is used on RF22.

I do like the way the page says the editors may relax the rules, iirc this is the first page which actually says this.

spelugx


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Post 110

SEF

"the e-word is used on RF22"

Not as spelled by Mr Ixolite though. Incidentally, his post 13 seems to be the first blatantly off-topic one - being nothing more than a personal attack on Tango with no relevant content whatsoever.

"may relax the rules"

There is something similar in the house rules under transgressions: "(typically by being more lenient)".


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Post 111

BryceColluphid

[BC]


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Post 112

David Conway

[0]


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Post 113

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

[PtPPPMoLPIKoCSaZ]


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Post 114

Montana Redhead (now with letters)

Tango, dear, the question I have for you, which I will not accept as being stupid, since it is blatantly to the point, is this: are you prepared to take the evidence you say you have and make it available to all the users of hootoo?

There's only two ways to answer this...yes or no.

If the answer is yes, I, and many others, would be happy to read what you have to say. If, however, you make the choice *not* to share this information, then perhaps the only conspiracy here is the one you are trying to create.


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Post 115

SEF

Montana Redhead said:

"Tango has called me stupid for asking legitimate questions, like asking him to saying exactly what he means when he says that he can bring this website crashing down. How? Why? What purpose would it serve? Where is he getting his information? From whom, and has he verified it through legitimate research?"

If you can't see that those are not legitimate questions to be answered on site then you really are being stupid. Tango could indeed crash the site if he wanted but the point is that he doesn't. He doesn't intend any harm to the site or disruption to users of it any more than the rest of us who know we could crash it but choose not to. Telling anyone nasty how to do it would be stupid and Tango isn't stupid. The attitude of certain staff and researchers is what some of us see as harming the potential of the site.

As for other (less dangerous) evidence, unless there is some sign that any of you are prepared or able to read and comprehend it properly then perhaps there is little point in Tango taking the time to put it all together in a page. Up to now you have not demonstrated the willingness or ability.


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Post 116

Tango

Thank you, SEF, that's pretty much what i was going to say.

That is indeed a stupid question, because it has already been answered in a thread to which you posted, so should have read. I was prepared to make the evidence availible, I started the long process of reading through backlog to find it all, but then i read the posts of you and others in that thread and realised that it was pointless trying to tell you anything because you couldn't be bothered to understand it.

Tango


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Post 117

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

"As for other (less dangerous) evidence, unless there is some sign that any of you are prepared or able to read and comprehend it properly then perhaps there is little point in Tango taking the time to put it all together in a page. Up to now you have not demonstrated the willingness or ability."

SEF, don't misinterpret some people's reluctance to agree with you as a demonstration that they're unwilling or unable to interpret "evidence". They may simply have a different interpretation to you, and defining the act of coming up with a different interpretation to yours as an "inability" to comprehend just comes across as arrogance. I'm not taking sides here; I just wanted to draw your attention to this interpretation of your postings, as it really doesn't help you put your case across. The "we won't show it to you because you haven't demonstrated that you can understand it" line of reasoning seems pretty spurious too, as without seeing your evidence no-one could "prove" whether or not they understand it, even if by "understand it" you mean "agree with your viewpoint". smiley - erm


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Post 118

Tango

You have just supplied evidence to support SEF's point. You clearly did not understand what SEF said.

SEF did not say:

"we won't show it to you because you haven't demonstrated that you can understand it"

SEF said:

"we won't waste the time working out how to show it to you because you have demonstrated that you can't understand it"

There are 2 differences there. If we had the evidence to hand we would show it to you, of course we would, but we don't, and we will not waste our time gathering it. That is a big difference. And the 2nd is the position of the negative, which, although subtle, makes a massive difference.

Tango


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Post 119

SEF

Some of the evidence is already available on site although very dispersed. Some people have already seen it and have come to the same conclusions. They tend to receive the same dishonest sort of misrepresentation by the same despicable people. Some have left. Some have stopped contributing in a meaningful way. Some have declared the site and its occupants to be hopeless cases or say that they only care about their own articles or fun rather than the larger picture. That's selfish but fairly typical and understandable.

I disagree with Tango slightly in the implication that no-one round here is worth the effort of gathering together the evidence. Some people here have previously demonstrated that they can fail to comprehend for weeks and then suddenly get the point (and even admit they were being stupid before). Unfortunately that doesn't seem to make them any speedier on the uptake the next time round.


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Post 120

SEF

Peet, I'm going to refer you back to my post 100 too since you seem to have failed to take it on board. Part of the evidence is in the nature of the people involved in each case. Not everyone's opinion is of equal validity on any given issue and if you don't know that then the political correctness has brainwashed you into stupidity.

The people who have noticed and spoken out against the bad things on the site tend to be the same ones who have been demonstrably more intelligent and perceptive in all sorts of other places on the site - whether or not there is anything contentious. The ones who are being either stupid or dishonest are the same ones behaving in the same way just about everywhere - again whether or not there is anything contentious. These patterns of behaviour should be clear to any perceptive lurkers even if they don't have the specific knowledge required to judge any given situation themselves. Though without that background knowledge or lurking in the right places to see the various incidents the evidence would need to be pointed out before they could verify it.


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