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A88033971 - The Case of the Murdering Minister: Was Rev Carmichael Hypnotised, or Merely Insane?

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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Freshly Vaccinated

Entry: The Case of the Murdering Minister: Was Rev Carmichael Hypnotised, or Merely Insane? - A88033971
Author: Dmitri Gheorgheni - Freshly Vaccinated - U1590784

The title is caused by watching too many Perry Mason episodes on Amazon Prime.

This is pretty much all that history knows of the strange case of the Reverend Carmichael, who murdered Gideon Browning because Browning had hypnotised him.

smiley - dragon


A88033971 - The Case of the Murdering Minister: Was Rev Carmichael Hypnotised, or Merely Insane?

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SashaQ - happysad

Fascinatingly sad story, and excellent Entry tracking the way the details were reported. Newspapers are valuable resources, but all too often contain gaps when questions are more exciting than answers.

Only one suggestion for improvement: Should Footnote 1 be moved to the first mention of Detroit Times?


A88033971 - The Case of the Murdering Minister: Was Rev Carmichael Hypnotised, or Merely Insane?

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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Freshly Vaccinated

Thanks, Sasha! smiley - smiley Absolutely! I spend a lot of time getting frustrated at reporters who lived a long time ago.

smiley - ok I'll move that footnote, good suggestion. I was at that point when I stopped and did the research that went into the footnote. smiley - rofl


A88033971 - The Case of the Murdering Minister: Was Rev Carmichael Hypnotised, or Merely Insane?

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SashaQ - happysad

smiley - ok


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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Hi Dmitri smiley - smiley
This is a sorry tale indeed, but gripping nonetheless. I am intrigued by the reaction of the Rev's wife, on learning of his suicide, that he "had no relatives in Carthage"smiley - doh

Can an autopsy prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that someone was insane? Just asking - I am ignorant of such knowledge.

>>No one could explain the unusual 'friendship' between the two men: one a scholarly minister, the other an ignorant carpenter<<

By "ignorant" there - do you mean "uneducated"?

Fame and/or infamy is fleeting indeedsmiley - ok

Still so many unanswered questions for me, but it's fun speculatingsmiley - laugh

GB
smiley - galaxysmiley - cdouble


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Freshly Vaccinated

By 'ignorant' I mean 'uneducated', along with almost all of the United States, in this or any other century. It was probably like that in the newspaper. To avoid transatlantic confusion, I'll go and change it to 'uneducated'.

Be glad I don't routinely use 'ignorant' in its other colloquial meaning, at least from my youth, 'John was saying rude things to the girls, and Sam told him to stop acting so ignorant.' 'Ignorant' can also mean 'rude, vulgar, inappropriate', or what the Germans in the Rhineland mean by 'grob'.

Oh, about the autopsy - no, it couldn't. Certainly not with the tools they had. Apparently, though, they thought it could, and it made everyone feel better. smiley - shrug

I read - years ago, so don't ask for the source, but it was scholarly - that a young man in Florida was killed in an automobile accident. The autopsy showed that he was missing many features of his brain, congenitally. The coroner stated that the accident victim must have been barely functional as a human being. Perhaps his death was a mercy...

The parents were outraged. Their son had a masters degree from a good university!

So no, I question that autopsy. smiley - winkeye


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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

smiley - ok
'Ignorant' can also mean 'rude, vulgar, inappropriate' - that's exactly how I interpret that word. Someone who is rude or arrogant. It doesn't mean the same as "uneducated", this side of the pond. That old transatlantic confusion - I am still wary of using the word "dumb" since the last well-remembered discussion in PR (smiley - laugh)

I had a feeling that the autopsy couldn't possibly be correct. smiley - shrug


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Freshly Vaccinated

smiley - ok Will Rogers: 'We are all ignorant, only on different subjects.'

I think 'ignorant' was used a lot by our ancestors on the frontier because of the haphazard availability of formal instruction - lots of remarkable people were autodidacts. Take my grandfather - he had three years of formal schooling. He was far from ignorant, in any sense.

Thanks for bringing it up! I appreciate the translations, since our readership is international. Some will have learned English from the English and some from Americans, and others from Australians, New Zealanders, or South Africans, or Canadians. We have to make a stab at keeping it understandable. smiley - winkeye

I actually used to ask my adult students in Europe what they needed the English language for. If they were dealing mostly with the British, we made sure to say it the British way, but if they were headed to the US, I'd clear up a few potential problems - like 'rubber'. smiley - rofl

A Swiss student of mine in the US worked for an international company and was spending a year at the overseas branch in a smallish Southern town. He'd learned British English, and some confusion had resulted, which is why they sent him to me at the college.

At his going-away party, they gave him, among other parting gifts, a huge bag of erasers. His request to the oh-so-proper secretary on his first day was THAT unforgettable.

He'd said, with the sweetest smile, 'Do you have any rubbers? I don't want to make a mistake.'


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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

smiley - rofl


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