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A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

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Bluebottle

Entry: The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964 - A87899774
Author: Bluebottle - U43530

A look at the longest-running comedy film series, which will be celebrating its 60th Anniversary in September this year!

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A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

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SashaQ - happysad - Editor

Sorry I somehow missed this appearing in Peer Review 5 weeks ago... A useful roundup of the films smiley - ok The plot summaries are particularly apt and amusing! I had a few questions as I read through:

"Rank's rivals, Anglo Amalgamated films" - what is Rank? Ah, I see you mention it in the next sentence.

In Carry On Nurse why don't Jane Bishop and Jill Thompson have their own bullet points?

The mention of the daffodil is very tantalising - I'm not sure I can guess why you mention it...

"He impersonates a nurse played by Marita Stanton, however he looks surprisingly similar to Student Nurse Nightingale, who was seen in a scene set the day before." I'm not sure what the significance of this is...

"was also an unprecedented success in America, where it became by far the most successful of the Carry On series" - as there had only been two at that point, most successful seems strong, or is it saying that out of all the Carry Ons that came to be, Nurse was the most successful?

You mention details of Twice Round the Daffodils twice - could that be condensed?

I like the name Betty Box - perhaps sounds more natural than 'Rogers' wife'?

Oh dear, another Twice Round the Daffodils - you have already mentioned that in connection with Lance Percival, so perhaps don't need to mention it again...

" The taxis were hired from the London General Cab Company for £5 per day, play 7/6d per hour for each driver." - does this mean actual taxi drivers appeared and they were each paid 7/6 per hour?

"causing the first officer and bosun to plot to get rid of them" - who are 'they'? The captain and Albert?

"This allowed the production to hire the HMS Defiant set " - what is 'this'?

Ah, here is Carry On Spying. 'Asexual' isn't the right word to describe Dr Crow's sex (not sexuality), but I'm not quite sure what is... Is the doctor described as such in the film?

Why is the machine in reverse the weakest point? Just because it is a 'macguffin', if that's the right word?

" a line in the film was voted the best film one-liner of all time" - more tantalising!

Fascinating that you highlight in the film tables those actors who appeared at least 4 times, yet include a table with those appearing more than once... The whole 'summary so far' section is perhaps not helpful... Also the last section - you include that to good effect in your sexism Entry but it perhaps isn't helpful here as the Entry is long...

Phew - that was epic but interesting smiley - ok


A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

Post 3

Bluebottle

Thanks for the read through – I've made some tweaks.

In 'Carry On Nurse' some characters shared bullet points as originally I thought the cast list looked too long so I thought I'd shorten it by matching patients to their visitors. I've separated the list out and added 'Visited By', but I'm still wondering if it is too long.

In 'Carry On Nurse', from what I can tell from the television, Student Nurse Nightingale (Rosalind Knight) is about the same height at Charles Hawtrey and about the same build. They both have short, dark hair, fairly identical facial features and both wear similar glasses. Dress them both in muumuus and put the two of them in an identity parade a few feet away and you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. So when Charles Hawtrey's character needs to impersonate a nurse, he disguises himself as... a completely different nurse who appears in one scene only. Why? Wouldn't it have made more sense to disguise him as the nurse he looks exactly like?

The name 'Betty' always reminds me of Frank Spencersmiley - winkeye

I've tweaked the taxi section – the actual taxi drivers don't do anything other than drive their taxis, they don't have any lines or are seen outside their cabs.

The machine going in reverse is the weakest point because the 2-minute clip of them going through the machine the right way is then reversed so you get the same 2-minute clip of them, but all the actions are backwards. The joke wears off after a couple of seconds but the clip drags on.

With the summary section – I started writing this over two months before I'd had the idea of the sexism entry. So assuming the sexism entry works, you're right that it doesn't need to be in two places and makes more sense in context in the sexism one.

The last table is to emphasise that by the mid 1960s, the core 'Carry On' team looked quite different. No Bernard Bresslaw, Jack Douglas or Patsy Rowland at all, Terry Scott and Barbara Windsor had only appeared once each so you'd be forgiven for expecting the gang to continue filming with Bill Owen, Eric Barker, Esma Cannon, Liz Fraser and Shirley Eaton.

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A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

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SashaQ - happysad - Editor

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Ah, visitors - I see! smiley - eureka The table looks fine to me. What order are the characters in? Seems a bit strange with patients and nurses mixed up...

I wonder if the unusual nurse impersonation was similar to the other film's scene with the men's toilets was, where it seems odd now, but was possibly a deliberately contrived joke setup at the time... smiley - huh

"The joke wears off after a couple of seconds but the clip drags on. " - Ah, I see...

You've managed to reduce the Entry to 7,500 words from 8,000, but I still fear it is too long (I could defend your 5,000 word Entries as you do include the curious detail h2g2 needs, but beyond that, the risk is that the curiosities get lost as people lose interest...)

I think there is potential for easy tweaks, eg the paragraph:

"Carry On Sergeant had begun as an unwanted script titled The Bull Boys by RF Delderfield, in which a couple of ballet dancers are conscripted into the army. It had promise, but wasn't suitable to be filmed as it was. After Peter Rogers acquired the script he approached writers including Eric Sykes and Spike Milligan to see if they would be interested in adapting it. Some progress was made when the script was given to John Antrobus, one of the writers of popular sitcom The Army Game (1957-1961), to develop. Although he created several comic scenes that survive in the film, his plot as a whole did not fit together. So the script was given to Norman Hudis, a publicist who Rogers knew wanted a break as a writer. He had the idea for it to be about a bunch of incompetent National Service recruits, including a man who is called up on his wedding day before being able to enjoy his honeymoon."

could be tightened up, eg:

"Carry On Sergeant had begun as a promising but unsuitable script titled The Bull Boys by RF Delderfield, in which a couple of ballet dancers are conscripted into the army. John Antrobus, one of the writers of popular sitcom The Army Game (1957-1961) developed it. Although Antrobus created several comic scenes that survive in the film, his plot as a whole did not fit together. So the script was given to Norman Hudis, a publicist who Rogers knew wanted a break as a writer. Hudis had the idea for it to be about a bunch of incompetent National Service recruits, including a man who is called up on his wedding day before being able to enjoy his honeymoon."

and the other paragraphs could be similarly polished. In particular the non-Carry On film paragraphs need to be concise so as not to distract from the focus of the Entry.

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A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

Post 5

Bluebottle

I've changed the order of the table so that there is a nurse & staff / patients & visitors divide (the cast order was all mixed up). I've also made a few tweaks to make the entry shorter.

As for the non-Carry On films, they do have to be mentioned. After all, two of the 'Carry On' films were originally intended not to be 'Carry Ons', two were originally released without the 'Carry On' title and the non-Carry On films mentioned here have the same producer, director, writer, cast and, in one case, source inspiration as the official 'Carry On' films – they can't be seen as anything other than 'Carry On' films in all but name.

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A87899774 - The Ultimate Carry On Film Guide: 1958 - 1964

Post 6

Bluebottle

On reflection I've deleted the summary table at the end.

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