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A87885887 - John Brown's Body: The Battle Hymn of Snark

Post 21

Dmitri Gheorgheni

Okay, I have a few questions:

1. What does RASC stand for?
2. Sorry, that link won't work for me. I get an error message.
3. Are you saying that this is an oral story? That the RASC caption told you this? (If so, I'd be glad to use it. I can give you a quote with the byline 'a h2g2 Researcher'.)
4. If the answer to 3) is 'yes', what do you mean about profanity? The original 'John Brown's Body', as quoted in the entry and verified in print, contains no profanity.
5. If the answer to 3) is 'no', then I need a link to a published source. smiley - smiley


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Post 22

bobstafford

1. What does RASC stand for? Royal Army Service Core

2. Sorry, that link won't work for me. I get an error message.

3. Are you saying that this is an oral story? Yes and No I am trying to find further evidence it needs to be correct its a 70 year old story told to me 20+ years ago. As you are interested it needs checking before publication memory plays tricks.

4. If the answer to 3) is 'yes', what do you mean about profanity? Its the army things get added that are not appropriate for mixed or polite company with extra verses with added profanity.

5. If the answer to 3) is 'no', then I need a link to a published source. Even though it is yes it still needs a link.


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Post 23

Florida Sailor - Growing like Topsy

A great subject, I a sure you have expected me to commentsmiley - smiley To be perfectly honest I have been spending more time reading the links than your fine Entrysmiley - facepalm

Just wanted to add a note or two on the comment thread for now;

1st - There was no US Air Force in WWII, it was not established until 1947, after the war. most of the planes and crews in Europe were 'Army Air Corps'.

2nd - The 'Paratrooper' version was by Army Airborne Infantry, Paratrooper and Glider units, all of the glider men had to jump qualify first.

My father was qualified for both, he crossed the Rhine in a glider, but jumped into the Bulge. He taught me the song when I still a young boy, but old enough to understand. The chorus is definitely 'Gory, gory, what a hell of a way to die!'.

This will be a great addition to the Guidesmiley - biggrin

F smiley - dolphin S


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Post 24

Dmitri Gheorgheni

Thanks, both of you! smiley - smiley Bob, I hear you - if you can find enough info, we'll put it in. If not - well, it's still a great story, and I appreciate your sharing it!

And yeah, FS. If I remember correctly, the Army Air Corps became the US Air Force in 1944? Or have I got that wrong? If you think it's misleading, I can change it to the Air Corps. smiley - laugh


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Post 25

Dmitri Gheorgheni

Aha, I see what I was thinking. smiley - doh The US Army Air Corps became the USAAF - US Army Air Force - late in the war. But you're right, the separate branch of the service was started in 1947.

Anyway, I said 'air forces', generically. I have added 'and paratroopers' to be more precise.

This still is not going to turn into an entry about 'songs they sang during World War II'. You guys can write that one and we can try to get it past the filther. smiley - winkeye

I have a fair-sized collection of those World War II songs in my head, but I don't think we'd make the mods very happy with the lyrics.

Among my favourites were 'Dirty Girty from Bizerte' and, er, 'Kathusalem', of which only one verse is actually printable...

Somebody could *try* to do an entry on the history of the 'Ball at Kirriemuir', but we'd probably have the same problems the BBC did when they found it on their recording of Churchill's review of the troops in North Africa. Some Highland regiment totally ruined that record by singing it when they marched past the reviewing stand. smiley - whistle The BBC couldn't sell it for charity.


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Post 26

Florida Sailor - Growing like Topsy

USAF was established after the war http://www.military.com/air-force-birthday/air-force-birthday-independence.html in 1947. Even in bob's link he used RASC rather than the modern RAF, although I a not as familiar with British services. I personally think we should try to keep historic references as accurate as possible. As far as I know both the 82nd and 101st Airborne divisions are still active (my father's 17th was disbanded shortly after the war) and regular Army. A footnote would be great .., soon to be known as...

F smiley - dolphin S

PS my father-in-law retired from the USAF as a Master Sergeant, no small accomplishment, and he did serve in WWII.


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Post 27

Florida Sailor - Growing like Topsy

smiley - simpostsmiley - sorry

Just to give you one of my favorite WWII songs http://www.google.com/#q=the+d-day+dodgers&*

Yes this is smiley - offtopic

F smiley - dolphin S


A87885887 - John Brown's Body: The Battle Hymn of Snark

Post 28

Dmitri Gheorgheni

smiley - snork This is going to give the GEs a headache, you know that?


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Post 29

Florida Sailor - Growing like Topsy

You are, of course, correct! Almost as soon as I posted my last message I realized that I should have asked that any more comments that do not reflect on the Entry itself be re-directed to my personal space U235886 I would love to carry on the discussion, but there is no need to add anything more to the Editors task when they are preparing this for the Edited Guide.

F smiley - dolphin S


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Post 30

minorvogonpoet

This is very good. smiley - smiley

And I remember singing 'He jumped from fifty thousand feet without a parachute' at Guide camp

One niggle - the very first link, to John Brown's Body, is unavailable in my part of the world.


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Post 31

bobstafford

Hi Dmitri the missing link numbers 4245 add after the 4


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Post 32

Dmitri Gheorgheni

Hi, MVP. I replaced the link with another one of an old recording. It was hard to find a recording of 'John Brown's Body' with the original words, and not the doctored ones used later. smiley - winkeye I hope this one works for you.

And Bob, I don't know what you meant by those numbers. smiley - huh


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Post 33

bobstafford

Add to the end of link I sent you on Post 20 (person/44245=


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Post 34

Dmitri Gheorgheni

smiley - doh Ah, got it, thanks! smiley - smiley An impressive record.


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Post 35

bobstafford

There was a bar later on.
So that is the source it is apocryphal with only anecdotal evidence.


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Post 36

Dmitri Gheorgheni

If it's okay with you, I think I'll just leave that out, then, since the main point of the entry is what the song's about.

Although it might come in handy if anybody wants to write a more general entry about marching songs. smiley - smiley


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Post 37

bobstafford

Absolutely no problem at best it was just an idea smiley - cheerssmiley - smiley


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