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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 141

Not-so-bald-eagle


How 'trusting' can we be?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8286837.stm

Nursery case "Vanessa George pleaded guilty, along with Angela Allen and Colin Blanchard, to a string of child sex offences in a case described by police as "devilish". "

Presumably the people at the nursery had child-minder certification...

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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 142

Sho - employed again!

As has been pointed out before elsewhere (and here, probably) the background check only flags up previous convictions. It's not much of a help for unknown criminal activity.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 143

Still Incognitas, Still Chairthingy, Still lurking, Still invisible, unnoticeable, missable, unseen, just haunting h2g2

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And yet they want to extend the CBR further and apply it to people who only have an intermittent,brief and casual connection to children as though it's some magic talisman against kiddy fiddling.

Frankly I'm wondering how much finance can be raised by CRB checks.smiley - erm


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 144

Sho - employed again!

That, if you'll pardon the expression, is the $64,000 question, isn't it?


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 145

Not-so-bald-eagle



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8288340.stm

or a $604,416.22 question.....

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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 146

HonestIago

Enhanced CRBs cost 40 quid for very little work. They're a nice little money-spinner for the government and completely useless in preventing child abuse.

I have to fill them out regularly and I'm very much not a fan.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 147

Mrs Zen

Do you know Iago, I think we might be in the 'If just one child or vulnerable adult is spared' territory. I've no idea whether or not CRB checks make a difference, but I'm comforted that they are there.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 148

Vip

They probably act as a deterrent - anyone who confidently fills one out is more than likely not going to have any previous convictions. If you have a conviction and don't want to disclose it, you won't go for the job. A placebo, if you will.

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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 149

Giford

Yeah, they must prevent convicted paedophiles from working with children, at least mostly.

(I've done at least 2 myself.)

Gif smiley - geek


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 150

Mrs Zen

The problem of course is that paedophilia is something more usually kept in the family. But even so.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 151

HonestIago

You're probably right Mrs Z, I just have a particular hatred for them. I just have memories of having to fill out 6 of the blighters in an 8 week period.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 152

Still Incognitas, Still Chairthingy, Still lurking, Still invisible, unnoticeable, missable, unseen, just haunting h2g2

They didn't work in this case though as a CRB only gives indications that the person concerned hasn't any convictions....yet!

also this might make you rethink the the faith in CRBs

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/crb_errors/

They are a useful tool PROVIDED that the background checks are good and those doing the checking are thorough and effective.However we shouldn't rely only on them..We need the police to keep up the ongoing battle against online child pornography which is what led to this little paedophile ring being uncovered.Also Social services and social workers are still our front-line troops in dealing with protecting children with teachers,doctors and other professionals playing their part.


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 153

Not-so-bald-eagle



I think we can all play our part a little, often at the price of seeming a grumpy old flatulent occurence or worse, a 'do-gooder'. Complain about ads that sexualise children, complain to tourists boards (once you get back!) about child prostitution in far flung countries, inform the police when you see possibily underage prostitutes, inform the police or whoever about icky-seeming stuff on the internet. And yes, complain to newspapers that seem to glorify teenage pregnancy (family say boy 'is chuffed to be dad' at 13; the 'moralising' tabloids say nothing to critisize the parents who don't ensure that their children know nohing about safe sex, birth control...)

And if you're called a snout or a fascist or whatever, say somebody's got to have the guts to stick up for children. It's called civic responsibily, we can't just expect others to have it. Much easy to say than actually get up and do innit!

Rant of the day off my chest

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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 154

Sho - employed again!

Oh yes, don't get me wrong, I think the CRB can be a good tool for those professionally involved with children.

For everything else we need common sense. Just because we wear seatbelts we can't all drive around recklessly, can we?


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 155

Not-so-bald-eagle


Just pinched this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mitterrand-fights-for-his-job-after-rent-boy-admission-1799299.html
from the 'what news has caught your attention today thread'.

It's his defense of Polanski that got people looking. I would have thought that the French president would have had somebody else take a look before making the guy a minister.

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Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 156

Not-so-bald-eagle


Back to Polanski

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8379141.stm

"A Swiss court has accepted film-maker Roman Polanski's plea to be freed on bail from a Swiss jail where he is being held for a US child sex case."


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 157

Giford

Goodbyeeee
Goodbyeeee
Wipe the tear
Baby dear
From your eyeeeee

I suspect that's the last that will be seen of him in Switzerland...

Gif smiley - geek


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 158

shagbark

An electronic tether ought to be sufficient to keep him in Switzerland. I imagine his chalet there has all the best comforts, so why should he leave?


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 159

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

Plus he won't have a passport, so he'd have to go on the run if he left.

Where was he before that wouldn't extradite him?


Thoughts about Roman Polanski thing

Post 160

Not-so-bald-eagle

>>>won't have a passport

There's rarely any passport control when travelling by car between France and Switzerland.

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