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Thoughts about the Polanski thing?

Post 61

Mrs Zen

I wonder if the high age of consent in so many US statse - ie 18 in many (most? all?) of them leads to a widespread flouting of the law. And if you are in for a penny, then why not in for a pound? If 13 is as illegal as 17, then the line has already been crossed with a 17 year old who is clearly mature enough for sex and it becomes much harder to work out at what age someone is too young or inappropriate. Also there was that wierd thing were you could marry a 13 year old but not have sex with an 18 year old.

What I am saying is that I wonder if there's just a whole lot of confusion because the law doesn't set sensible clear boundaries?


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Post 64

HonestIago

>>I wonder if the high age of consent in so many US statse - ie 18 in many (most? all?) of them leads to a widespread flouting of the law.<<

Actually, the age of consent is 16 in most (31) states and only 12 put it at 18. It's also 18 under federal law, but federal law applies almost nowhere, just in Washington DC and on Indian reservations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#United_States


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Post 65

Mrs Zen

Thanks Iago. It was just a thought. Someone commented on a perceived difference between the US and Europe on the subject of having sex with teenagers, and I was scratching around looking for cheap explanations. I don't even know if it is a real difference in attitude.


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Post 66

HonestIago

The w**i article suggests that since California is one of the few states to have an age of consent of 18, and most film and TV writers live in California, most entertainment makes reference to an age of consent of 18.

That bit of information could account for the general misinformation.


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Post 67

sigsfried

Didn't this happen in California anyway?


If there is evidence the plea bargain was going to be broken then is admission of guilt will be inadmissable. I do wonder if in such a circumstance a conviction is realistically possible. Though of course he can be prosecuted for fleeing justice.


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Post 68

Not-so-bald-eagle



http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8690690

It's worth watching at least half of this (lasts 5 mins or so in all). The victim is shown (when young) and Polanski gives an interview mentioning the subject (at the time, he couldn't see the harm...)

smiley - coolsmiley - bubbly


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Post 69

KB

Since there seems to be some confusion about the meaning of the legal terms involved here, some of you might find this informative. http://www.slate.com/id/2229853/


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Post 70

Maria


I´ve had checked the "age of consent in Spain" I didn´t know it was at 13. Unsensible the least I can say.
However, RP wouldn´t have been able to get away with it here either. The law says that if between 13 and 16 years old a young is coerced with drugs, lies, etc. ´then the ofender will have to face the law. It´s penalised.


13 seems to me an age too early to have sex with an adult, although not with another younger. They are discovering sex.
I usually work with teenagers, but once, I worked with kids of 10 and 11 years old. It surprised me a lot the different attitudes and knowledge they had about sex. Some were very naïve, and others were "too erotized" despite their age.
I´ve seen those differences in teenagers too.


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Post 71

almaak - the Reincarnation

I'm not going to be on somebody's side in this argument. Instead I will try to tell why I'm not going to. Because neither of us knows what exactly happened. So that makes the whole argument strictly hypothetical.

Frankly I do not know R.P. all that very well. I'm not familiar with his work. Perhaps he's a genius, perhaps a pervert. Who knows!? As long as I don't know the facts I can't allow myself any judgements. But to know the facts as they were one must have been a witness. Were you there as the crime happened? What we have here are the statements of both a victim and a criminal through the pov of the media. Remember what happened to MJ. A celebrity who as it turned out was simply blackmailed. He was also ready to plead guilty and go to an off-court agreement. Does this make him guilty?
So what I'm saying is that in our position it's impossible to tell right from wrong. We lack information. We are stuck with a 50% probability - either it's a crime or not.

By the way "12 Angry Men" - low-cost life changing experience.


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Post 72

shagbark

there was a time in the Mountains of Appalachia when 14 year olds routinely married.
and there was a time when Mormons in Utah had multiple wives.
Both of these practices have been stopped.
I think his arrest was not so much to punish him or protect society from him as to give an object lesson to others not to do the same thing.


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Post 73

Not-so-bald-eagle


50% probability? I thought that his skipping bail was undisputed by anybody including RP and presumably he can be 'got' on that alone.

I got the impression that his arrest was more to prove that he could be arrested if a prosecuter put his mind to it than serve as an example. IMO the only 'example' given up to now is that money and friends in high places DO (surprise, surprise) make a difference.

smiley - coolsmiley - bubbly


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Post 74

Maria


I want to make clear something from my last post, although it´s off-topic.

too erotized for their age means that they shouldn´t be so. We can expect different grades of sexual maturity, that´s clear, but in some cases pre-pubescents have had access to inadequate sexual information. It´s too easy to access porn content for them. smiley - offtopic


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Post 75

kuzushi



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Doesn't 'plead' conjugate like 'knead'? Ie. "He pleaded guilty"


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Post 76

A Super Furry Animal

It can also be "pled".

RFsmiley - evilgrin


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Post 77

Mrs Zen

In the phrase "He didn't plead guilty" the do/did are the past participles, and surely they are necessary to carry the negative?

He pleads not guilty
I pleaded with him to stop
She didn't plead guilty

etc


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Post 78

HonestIago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8283707.stm

The French government has reconsidered it's support for Polanski and is now urging ministers to stay neutral.


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Post 79

kuzushi


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Perhaps. But isn't that much as 'brought' can be 'brang', or 'thought' 'thunk' (participle), or 'dived' in US English 'dove'?
I know it sounds like it could be pled, and I suppose people can conjugate verbs anyhow they like, much as five year olds say things like "He stealed my pencil".


http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/English/plead.html


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Post 80

kuzushi



'Spit' is a funny one. In the UK it conjugates like 'sit', so the past tense is 'spat' ("Diouf spat at the referee"), but in the US it conjugates like 'hit', so the past tense would be "Diouf spit at the referee".




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