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Petty Hates

Post 17721

Bluebottle

We've ended up with superfluous calendars too, I'm assuming you don't want our spares…?
PH: Things being described as 'multi-purpose' or 'mixed purpose'. You can't buy plain paper without it being labelled as 'Multi-purpose plain paper' and as I was packing away our (fake) smiley - xmastree over the weekend I noticed the box was labelled '7ft Fir Indoor Use Only Mixed Purpose Christmas Tree'. How many purposes can you mix and match with a Christmas tree, eh? I suppose you could use it as a stage prop, say if you were doing a panto of 'Babes in the Wood' or 'Hansel and Gretel' and you needed trees for a woodland scene, and I've seen some people use little smiley - xmastree in bird cages for their budgies to sit on. But surely 'Christmas tree' is its purpose? What is mixed about it?

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Post 17722

Caiman raptor elk - Yes, but what if the box is REALLY big?

Could also be a Yule tree, or a Festivus tree, or you could leave it till after Easter.


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Post 17723

Baron Grim

Festivus has a pole, not a tree.


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Post 17724

Bluebottle

Well I know that in Turkey, a Muslim country, the smiley - xmastree is called a 'New Year Tree'. I'd argue that putting decorations on it at the end of the year regardless of whether it is called Yule, Christmas or New Year is the same purpose even if called something different. A smiley - rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

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Post 17725

Rosa Baggins, (see LOTR appendix Hobbits Family trees for more information)

Conspiracy theorists who are climate change deniers who are trolling on the Met Office Tuesday YouTube live stream and believe that the world is cooling and that we're heading of a mini ice age as well as that there everyone is being lied to by big government and big business.


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Post 17726

Teasswill

PH: Films 'based on' a book, or the characters therein, especially if using the book's title for the film. 'Inspired by' or 'loosely based on' is usually the more accurate description. Might still be a good, watchable film, but please don't mislead people.

Watched Alice through the Looking Glass yesterday eve. Having seen Alice in Wonderland (the Johnny Depp one), I had some idea what to expect - but didn't realise the sequel bore almost no resemblance to the book at all!


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Post 17727

Cheerful Dragon

I've seen both films. The first one shows a grown-up Alice and the characters say that Alice has been there before. So the film has characters from the stories, but doesn't follow either of them. I love the Alice stories and was concerned when I saw that the first was about an older Alice. When I saw it I decided to put my knowledge and love of the stories to one side and take the film on its own merits. It's not a great film, but it's OK. I agree, the films don't tell the Lewis Carroll stories, but would anyone watch them if they were called "Grown-up Alice Goes Back to Wonderland", or "Grown-up Alice Back Through the Looking-glass"?

The films and TV series that really annoy me are ones with titles like "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" or "Agatha Christie's Marple". The author's name is used to give the impression that the film or series is a close adaptation of the book. A lot of the time, it isn't.


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Post 17728

Bluebottle

Television series 'Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World' follows the novel smiley - book for the first two episodes, but the rest is weird and wacky involving time travel, Jack the Ripper, witches, vampires, the post-apocalyptic survivors of a nuclear war, nothing like the book at all.

What I find even worse is when they have a horror film marketed as 'Based on a true story' when it isn't. There are no restrictions against marketing something as 'based on a true story' and then at the end you get the usual credit 'this is a work of fiction, any similarity with actual persons (living or deceased) or events is entirely coincidental'.

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Post 17729

Caiman raptor elk - Yes, but what if the box is REALLY big?

Maybe the true story is just the acknowledgement of the existence of the human race? You can base nearly every movie in existence on that one.


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Post 17730

Cheerful Dragon

Years ago in French lessons we did a translation that started "Une histoire vraie" - a true story. Our teacher told us that anything that claims to be a true story probably isn't.

I seem to recall that the opening credits for Oliver! say that it's "Loosely based on a story by Charles Dickens", or words to that effect. And yet it's a pretty good adaptation of the story.

I didn't appreciate why screenplay writers sometimes have to change the story till I read The Man in the Iron Mask. None of the adaptations stick to the book (spoiler alert: Louis XIV is not replaced by his twin, most of the musketeers die). I don't know who made the first adaptation of the book but modern audiences are so used to Louis being overthrown and the musketeers coming out on top that I don't think they'd accept an accurate adaptation.

Having said all that, there have been plenty of adaptations where the only connection with the book is the title and one or two characters. These always feel like shameless attempts to cash in on the readership of the book.


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Post 17731

Baron Grim

_Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_.

I've seen two adaptations as TV series and neither has any direct relation to the plot of the books. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy both of them, I did, but the only relation they share with the books is the main character's name and some whacky idea what a "holistic detective" is.


As for "based on a true story" stories, the film (and ensuing TV series) _Fargo_(1996) famously lied about being based on a true story. Here's a trivia entry from IMDb:

>>The film is not actually "Based on a true story". Joel Coen & Ethan Coen later admitted that they added that disclaimer so the viewer would be more willing to suspend disbelief in the story. (An urban legend even says that people have gone to search Minnesota for the briefcase of money, and come to a bad end.) While the specific crimes in the movie didn't happen, the plot has elements of two well-known Minnesota crimes. In 1962, a St. Paul attorney named Eugene Thompson hired someone to kill his wife, Carol. Unbeknownst to Thompson, his man hired someone else to do the job. The second man fatally wounded Mrs. Thomspon in her house, but she managed to escape him. She went to a neighbor's house for help while her assailant fled the scene. The sloppiness and brutality of the crime attracted great attention. The murderers were quickly caught and gave up Thompson, who denied knowing anything about the crime for many years afterward. In 1972, Virginia Piper, the wife of a wealthy Orono banker, was kidnapped. A million-dollar ransom was paid, one of the largest in U.S. history. Mrs. Piper was found tied to a tree in a state park. Two men were convicted of the crime, but were acquitted after a re-trial. One of them later went on a shooting spree after his wife left him, killing her, their 5-year-old son, her son from a previous marriage, her new boyfriend, and one of his sons. Only $4,000 of the money was ever recovered.<<


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Post 17732

Caiman raptor elk - Yes, but what if the box is REALLY big?

Interesting to see that the musical my daughter performed in recently (Oliver!, in two different adaptations) and the next one she will do (Alice in Wonderland) were mentioned in this thread within a day.
If someone could mention "Shrek, the musical" we have the full set.


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Post 17733

Baron Grim

Shrek, the Musical had very little in common with the true story it was based upon.
smiley - nahnah


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Post 17734

Bluebottle

Wasn't that the smiley - love affair between Charles Dickens and Lewis Carroll?

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