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Post 16821

Recumbentman

Churchill was quoting when he famously said "Britain and America are two nations divided by a common language".

I had always thought it was one of Wilde's sayings, but his formulation was "We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language." (the Canterville Ghost, 1887)

The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations credits it to George Bernard Shaw: "England and America are two countries divided by a common language. Attributed in this and other forms, but not found in Shaw's published writings."


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Post 16822

Cheerful Dragon

I was about to make the same point. I'd also like to question a couple of other things in that post. I've read a lot about King Henry VIII over the years, but I've never read that he insisted on people speaking as he did. I'm not sure about Bishop Berkeley writing in Middle English, either. He wrote in a mixture of English and Latin, but it wasn't necessarily Middle English - especially as he was born more than 100 years after the end of the period for Middle English (c1100 - c1500). He was born in Ireland, but I don't know how much difference that would have made.

I'm not well versed in U.S. history, so I won't question the remarks about the split between American and British English. I would like some sources for the other assertions, though.


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Post 16823

You can call me TC

Off topic slightly because it's not English, but I live in a border area and whilst the Germans staunchly resist speaking French, and just over the border the French staunchly refuse to speak German, they still use each other's language. Other Germans are surprised at the use of "trottoir" and "porte-monnaie" in everyday speech here, whilst nearly all the towns and villages in Alsace have German names. The language which combines both is called Allemannisch and sounds very much like Swiss German, and includes words from both langusges, but the main structure is German.


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Post 16824

Recumbentman

CD -- that surprised me too about Bishop Berkeley writing in 'Middle English'. His English was perfectly proper, his books were published in London, and though he used a fairly conversational tone, his arguments were academic and put in good court-of-law polemic language. There was not much difference between his style and that of his friend Jonathan Swift.


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Post 16825

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - prof
Here's a list of 25 misused words which will be
of some interest and possibly surprise.

http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/25-common-words-that-youve-got-wrong.html

(A modest amount of scrolling and a lot of ignoring
other stoopid lists is required.)

smiley - cheers
~jwf~


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Post 16826

Gnomon - time to move on

Well I don't think I ever misused any of those words.

I disagree with the article on "nauseous", a word I never use, but the Oxford English Dictionary gives both meanings (causing nausea, suffering from nausea) as valid.


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Post 16827

Cheerful Dragon

I think the point to bear in mind with that article is that it's about American English. Our languages have changed so much that what is acceptable over here is wrong over there, and vice versa. Most of what was said in the article applies in the UK, though.

One thing that jarred was 'conversate', a back-formation from conversation. Whoever came up with that one doesn't know English as well as they think they do.


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Post 16828

You can call me TC

The answer to "conversate" was that it was not a word. That applies to the US and the UK.

"Irregardless" was the other word that meant nothing.



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Post 16829

Cheerful Dragon

I know they said conversate wasn't a word. It was the fact that somebody, somewhere, either thought it was a word, or wasn't aware of the verb 'to converse'. Back-formation is a recognised and acceptable way of creating new words, but only when a word doesn't exist to serve the purpose.


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Post 16830

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Well I'm just glad some of you enjoyed it.
I knew it would not likely astound or impress
this august and astute group but I decided to
post it irregardless.
smiley - nur
~jwf~


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Post 16831

ITIWBS

I did not agree with even one of the "What you think it means;" notes,

I didn't agree with all the 'prefered' definitions either.

The author sometimes seems confused about the difference between verbs, adverbs and adjectives.


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Post 16832

Rod

... irregardless ...

do we take it that you intend to mean 'regardful' ?


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Post 16833

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - biggrin
It's considered de riguard to be mindful.
(Or is it du rearguard?)
I think the motto of Strategic Air Command
was Constant Vigilance. Even the Boy Scouts
are prepared.

BTW I'm inclined to agree with ITIWBS that a
half-baked writer took a half-arsed idea and
did less than necessary research to be credible.
Using a Mirriam Webster dictionary is just wrong.
(Not to mention the other US bias which has been
noted already above) As we all know, or at least
have been told, a little knowledge is a very
dangerous thing. And god knows that's true.
smiley - zen
~jwf~


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Post 16834

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - book
On the subject of malapropisms I offer you the word acyrologia.
Which deserves an image search to find this holy screed:
http://davefarmersblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/acyrologia.jpg

smiley - cheers
~jwf~


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Post 16835

ITIWBS

smiley - smiley...a thing of beauty is a joy forever...smiley - zen


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Post 16836

You can call me TC

smiley - applausesmiley - rofl


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Post 16837

Gnomon - time to move on

Star-craving mad - a good description of many people I know.


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Post 16838

Recumbentman

In Ireland we call it Bertiespeak, after the politician who spoke of 'smoke and daggers' and called the EU Middle East Peace Plan not 'the road map' but (on several occasions) 'the road crash'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertiespeak


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Post 16839

Cheerful Dragon

My reaction to some of those was smiley - laughsmiley - applause


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Post 16840

Rod

smiley - applause


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