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Forgiveness

Post 1

Rose Kolodny

I do not need forgiveness for the things I have done. I will not be tortured by them!

smiley - rose


Forgiveness

Post 2

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

To torture is human, to forgive is just plain silly.
It's almost as silly as regret, remorse or any of those other second-guessy things. Take 'hind sight' for example - not something I'd want to look at.
Q: Just what do wild women do?
smiley - dog
Oh by the way a bunch of really nice people will be along soon to welcome you and offer all sorts of help and invitations...


Forgiveness

Post 3

Salamander the Mugwump

I'm not forgiving anyone until they say sorry - and really mean it! And they'll have to convince me that they really really mean it too - I'm not easily convinced either, so they'll have to grovel big time! It's much better not to upset me in the first place - but now that they have ...


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Post 4

Rose Kolodny

smiley - dog

What are you saying?

smiley - rose


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Post 5

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

I'm not really sure:
1.What I am saying.
2.Or what Salamander is saying.
But he could be talking to the person whose homepage lead to this thread.
Can you remember where you were when you started this thread called "forgiveness". It was your reaction to someone else's page.. That's probably who salamander is talking to.
Me, I'm just babbling. There's a lot of it here. But you can learn to avoid it.
Oh, you already have..


Forgiveness

Post 6

Salamander the Mugwump

Oh, ignore me. I was just trying on a nutty alternative personality I got for Christmas. It doesn't fit me very well so I think I'll fold it up and put it back in the box and maybe I can give it to someone else next Christmas.


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Post 7

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Consider yourself well and truly ignored if that really is your wish.
Just don't ask for "forgiveness". There is nothing to forgive. And I don't think there is any concensus on what that is..
In this thread anyway.

I fear we scared Rose away though.
Ah well.
That's 3 newbies scared off, five people insulted, one totally pissed off and now one totally ignored in the past few hours.
I think I'll quit for today.


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Post 8

Salamander the Mugwump

Never mind. You can blame me if you like. I don't mind at all.

Sounds as though you've had a very successful day. At least you got noticed. smiley - smiley


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Post 9

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

You say that like it's a good thing. Believe me, fame, notoriety, visibility - yer basic high profile existence - is not to be desired.
Especially when travelling thru Customs...
Do you think Madonna likes those body searches.


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Post 10

Salamander the Mugwump

Believe it or not, I actually put a bit of thought into that last message. In real life I try hard to keep a low profile but here, in safe life, a person can afford to stick their head above the parapet wave their arms about a bit. I've accidentally stumbled across a few sites on the net where the people seem to be at war with each other, but I haven't met a single unreasonable entity here at h2g2. In fact, the worst thing anyone has done, is ignore me, which is the most I ask of anyone in real life. So it's quite nice to be noticed here, where most people are either sane or insane-in-a-good-way smiley - silly

I agree with you in general and I also wonder about Madonna, but this isn't Customs. Still, if you do see anyone approaching you with a pack of those disposable latex gloves, make for the h2g2 natural history museum and hide behind one of the larger exhibits.


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Post 11

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

I AM one of the larger exhibits!
see http://www.h2g2.com/info
But I'm trying to cut down. I've been hanging out at the H2g2 Addiction Clinic for weeks but their new therapy apparently embraces a practise of complete isolation and sensory depravation.
The fire in my wood stove keeps going out and the one in my chip pan keeps flaring up. The bathtub keeps overflowing and I haven't shovelled the driveway since the snow started falling in mid-December.
Come to think of it I haven't seen a RL human being for three weeks!
And you think this is insane-in-a good-way...
No this is living like an eskimo in an igloo with Cable TV and sniffing gas fumes from the snowmobile for fun, waiting for Spring to sprang in May or June.


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Post 12

Salamander the Mugwump

Well, what do you know? We're both listed and didn't even know I had a problem.

I know what you mean about the fire. I went out to get some coal before it got dark and I practically had to mine it. All the lumps were stuck together in a solid frozen mass. Now I've got a decent blaze going but the minute you turn your back on it for 2-3 hours, the damned thing goes out. I make myself a cup of tea to warm myself up from the inside (it's cold in this corner) and by the time I remember to go and take the tea-bag out, the water's stone cold. It's very vexing.

Yes, I'm sticking with insane-in-a-good-way. I like it. I've seen my share of human beings this Christmas and most of them have just taken the opportunity to try to make me feel guilty about this or that. I get to watch what I want on tv (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock is on at the moment and I don't even have to watch it), read what I want, eat what I want, drink what I want and chat with you if I want. Nobody's telling me off for letting the fire go out, or sticking my head in a book or eating the last packet of crisps. No work and no hassle. If there's a heaven, it must be like this.

Here, I'll share a bit of my book with you. It's about the human genome: "Every species on the planet is unique. Uniqueness is a commodity in oversupply. ... Human beings are an ecological success. They are probably the most abundant large animal on the whole planet. There are about 6 billion of them, amounting collectively to something like 300 million tons of biomass." There. Do you imagine I would be left in peace to read such uplifting stuff if there were other people here to constantly interrupt me and get me running around after them? If you haven't seen a real human being for 3 weeks, think yourself lucky. smiley - smiley


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Post 13

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Affirmation from someone dipping their toes in the gene pool may be the kind of support I need. I will, if you don't mind, now explore some of your more heady academic threads and learn a bit more about critters and genes and stuff. And I'll come back here to voice my questions or raise any objections as they occur.
A good heady dose of Academics, in an area I know nothing about, may well be what the doctor ordered. Or more accurately (as there doesn't seem to be anyone in attendance at the Addiction Clinic) what the doctor didn't order. And as I am always partial to non-prescriptive remedies this seems a most favourable course. Thank you. Keep the home-fires burnin'...
Or as Rimmer would say "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!"


Forgiveness

Post 14

Salamander the Mugwump

Oh, ok then. smiley - smiley


Forgiveness

Post 15

Rose Kolodny

I called this conversation 'forgivness' as that is what the ghost said it was not offering. Does the amount of people on the planet cause concern?

smiley - rose


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Post 16

Salamander the Mugwump

Yes. A lot of people do seem concerned about the number of people on the planet.


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Post 17

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

They engage in manoeuvres, a ten letter word meaning 'me' and not worth a twit in Scrabble.


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Post 18

Salamander the Mugwump

I expect you'd beat me at scrabble and you'd be better at cross words - especially the ones with the cryptic clues.


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Post 19

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Cross-words always bug me with those obscure little words they use to make up space for other words. You know, those 3 letter words for a turkish salamander..
People who memorise Scrabble dictionaries full of those kinda words really bug me too.
Scrabble at least involves others, conversation, challenge. Cross-words are usually done alone and it's too easy to cheat.
The rather strange message above was only because I felt the need to comment somewhere on your review of the Scrabble entry. I couldn't stop laughing for several minutes and had a warm glowing smile for hours after. (I just started laughing again.. you offered to find ways to annoy him..said his entry deserved better..) Your sense of irony is drier than ..analogy escapes me for the moment. I'll be back, gotta go laugh this off again..


Forgiveness

Post 20

Tefkat

Hiya Fire-lizard smiley - smiley
It was your scrabble posting that drew me to look you up too.
Have to agree with most of the preceding conversation.
Why is it that if you have your nose buried in a book/eyes glued to a screen people seem to think you need to be 'taken out of yourself' - taught to be a 'normal', 'sane', gregarious sort of person?
smiley - blackcat

John, why would anyone want to cheat with a crossword?


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