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ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 21

Mal

Well linked to the topic name, there, a bit. Thanks for the links, as you might have seen I've already made a totally superfluous and unnecessary posting. Hurrah! Fnord's back in town!


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 22

abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

Welcome Back!
Sorry if I interupted your flow, it inspired me to post about our hootoo home freedoms changing.
smiley - disco


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 23

Otto Fisch ("Stop analysing Strava.... and cut your hedge")


"Three levels of freedom - personal, economic, and political - should do quite well for labelling any system to the satisfaction of the viewer."

If only it were so simple! Those of a libertarian persuasion and those of a high citizen's wage persuasion would both lay claim to the title of proponent of economic freedom. The libertarian would claim this because of the lower tax rates (possibly among other things) and the HCW proponent because the poor are better off and therefore have more economic choices. Indeed, the very nature of freedom is up for debate....

Otto


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 24

Blatherskite the Mugwump - Bandwidth Bandit

Perhaps we change "freedom" to "regulation."


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 25

abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

hmmm yes that makes sense.
Regulations are easier for approaching in discussion, more black and white.
smiley - disco


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 26

Demon Drawer

Well when the Liberal Democrats first formed in the UK they were called the Social and Liberal Democrats. At the last general election in 2001 some political commentators said they were more socialist that the Labour Party the traditional socialist party of the UK. However they are also the champions of liberty and liberal ideals in the UK.

There has been a backlash against the lack of a socialist agenda in the Labour party especially in Scotland where 6 Scottish Socialist MSPs now sit in the Scottish Parliament.


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 27

Mal

Yes, then regulation not freedom. It would still require a small degree of individual judgement, but less. So would that be a satisfactory way of labelling systems?


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 28

JustAnotherNumber\Lord High Praetor of Thingite-ica\Sub

Frankly, all labels in politics don't work very well, because very few systems conform to the standard definition of a word. Because of this, that word begins to lose its original meaning and soon becomes a "gray-definition" word. Eventually, labels begin to mean things which they never did to begin with, and we end up with confused people wondering what happened to their nice little labels.


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 29

abbi normal "Putting on the Ritz" with Dr Frankenstein

I'd prefer no labels. I walk a squiggly yet fairly firm linesmiley - laugh
As long as no opinion is assumed, which is always a good idea anyway, it should be OK.
smiley - disco


ODS: Politics and Labels

Post 30

Mal

The point of me trying to make a system was for individual purposes, not for widespead judgements. You can't make it work outside of one person, I know. I was just trying to find a way to reliably judge a system that didn't rely on my personal feelings for the leader.


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