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Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 81

Malabarista - now with added pony

I've linked to hootoo from my webcomics, but those don't seem to have much of a readership beyond hootooers smiley - winkeye

But if I do join other fora like that, I'll put h2g2 in my signature. smiley - ok I've also left links to hootoo entries when someone's looking for information.

As KB says, we need to avoid spamming!


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 82

J

Well, yes, spamming is counterproductive. There are sites, for instance though, where you can submit links to things which a wider audience might appreciate (a lot of websites' bread and butter is simply in linking to other things). h2g2 is a genuinely appropriate thing to promote for such places. Many specific features of the site too - UnderGuide entries, EG entries, Post features, interesting conversations, etc.

Rather than offering to mention h2g2 if an opportunity arises, I'm suggesting a concerted effort to *find* such opportunities and promote the site. It's the only proactive way to bring in more researchers that I can think of.

I agree with whoever said that the problem is not necessarily retention. The same things worked for years in keeping new people. The problem is that new people aren't finding their way here.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 83

Malabarista - now with added pony

smiley - laugh Dunno, that sounds uncomfortably like spamming.

I once turned down a job after it was revealed to be "Go into gamer forums and talk about how good the game we've just brought out is..."


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 84

J

No, spamming works by creating a large volume of advertisements, often tricking the victim into clicking on a link. What we're looking for is intelligent people after all - spamming wouldn't help at all. smiley - winkeye

If there are any other ideas how to encourage people to come to h2g2, I'd love to hear them. I mean that - sincerely.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 85

Elentari

Very interesting discussion. I've got to go to work now, but I'll be back to comment later.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 86

anne-o-mally

I'm late for the party againsmiley - erm

Like lanzababy, I'm relatively new. Unlike lanzababy, I haven't yet written anything for Peer Review for several reasons:

1. Trawling through the entries already there, any subjects which I would have liked to write about, or had some knowledge of, were already covered.

2. Other subjects I could possibly try to cover would require illustrations (eg different ECG tracings), which would not be allowed for copyright reasons (err...probably, haven't checked this out yet, so may be wrong).

3. Not having written anything like an EGE for absolutely years, the thought of having it scrutinized to the nth degree by experienced researchers is daunting, not only for content but also grammar etc. Again, having trawled through PR, the vast majority of comments *are* positive (only one or two have been scathing, as far as I have read).

4. Learning GuideML as a complete novice is scary, but I have started in an attempt to feel more part of the community (eg my PS).

Please don't take this as a total whinge - it isn't meant to be - just a view from the 'other side' as it were.

In short, some newbies may not have the confidence to plunge straight in, some may prefer to paddle along the shoreline for a while first.

PS smiley - oklanza


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 87

Rudest Elf


"Maybe we should introduce a Researcher badge for people who have written even *one* Entry, rather than promising them artwork? smiley - erm "

I've raised this before, Malabarista, and was similarly ignored. Does no one else agree that the first badge award at 25 EGEs is, in fact, a disincentive to new writers?

smiley - reindeer


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Post 88

leighm

I think it's unbelievable that you need to write 25 just to get a badge - that's a huge amount of work for so little recognition.

I think a special one for achieving the first would be perfect - and perhaps a re-think on whether there should be a 10 completed or similar as well.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 89

Rudest Elf


smiley - ok Let's see what some of the others have to say - if anything smiley - smiley .

smiley - reindeer

ps The second badge could be awarded for the fifth Edited Entry.
We need an incentive, not a deterrent.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 90

Malabarista - now with added pony

I think 1 and 25 would be just fine - no reason to give out badges for *every* little thing, but one for taking the plunge would be good smiley - ok


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 91

Icy North

I don't know when badges were introduced, but 25 does seem a little high for a first badge.

One thing I've been concerned about is that people think they have to be a brilliant writer to have an entry published. This simply isn't the case - the Guide has a wide range of articles, short and succinct as well as comprehensive and detailed. You can (and should) write an entry in your own natural style - there are just a few writing guidelines and house style pointers, but these can be ironed out easily enough in Peer Review. There's no need to use Guide-ML - plain text is just as good - the Sub-editors can add it later.

The most important thing is to write about something that interests you. Even the most prolific writers here had to start somewhere and many of them had never written a formal article before. Most people's early entries might be on something like their home town, or their unusual hobby, or their favourite book or film. There's no need to launch into an encyclopaedic epic at the outset.

Competitions like The Stretcher and Entry of the Month may be sending out the wrong messages in this respect. Entries just don't have to compete with competition winners, and we probably all have favourite entries which are just as entertaining to read.

Once you start writing it does become addictive, though. Maybe a badge just for being an Edited Guide author might encourage people to take the plunge smiley - smiley


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Post 92

AlexAshman


I think the serious matter for consideration with regards to badges for Edited Entries is one of logistics. How exactly would you go about handing out badges to every Researcher with a solo Edited Entry? I think the number 25 is deliberately high, so as to minimise the workload for the Editors.


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Post 93

AlexAshman


By the way, thanks everyone for your ideas so far. I've just noticed that this conversation has made the Front Page's 'Most Popular Conversations' list smiley - ok


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 94

Malabarista - now with added pony

OK - possibly not a badge, then, but *some* recognition. Wasn't there a gallery of first-time writers on the FP at some point?

Maybe a feature in smiley - thepost, just a kind of "honour roll" of new FP authors. smiley - ok


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Post 95

AlexAshman


There already is such a system: A10310941


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 96

Malabarista - now with added pony

Yes, that's what I (vaguely) remembered - but it's been abandoned. So it might be time to reenliven it.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 97

Rudest Elf


"How exactly would you go about handing out badges to every Researcher with a solo Edited Entry?"

This is supposed to encourage new writers - why should it have to be retroactive?

smiley - reindeer


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Post 98

AlexAshman


To be honest, there aren't that many first time solo edited entry authors right now, so perhaps something more personal would be better - perhaps a message on their PS from the Editors or from a dedicated First Time Solo Authors account, saying thank you and very well done.


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 99

Malabarista - now with added pony

smiley - laugh Isn't a personal message from the editors more work than a badge?


Peer Review discussion: Some grim statistics

Post 100

AlexAshman


"This is supposed to encourage new writers - why should it have to be retroactive?"

Fairness. h2g2 shouldn't be a 'new customers only' sort of place, as that would risk alienating the existing membership.


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