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Post 1

Mrs Zen

Entry: Lulu the Blue Peter Elephant - or "It must be true, it's on the Internet" - A87736134
Author: Mrs Zen or a broad called Ben - Operations - U14994913 - U500175

This is rough, and not very ready, but GML is a bitch, and I couldn't face linking the links.

It's about the internet as much, or more, than it is about the elephant.

I would like, if at all possible, to embed the video, and maybe the picture of Big Lulu being washed.

Ben


A87736134 - Lulu the Blue Peter Elephant - or "It must be true, it's on the Internet"

Post 2

Deek


I don’t know if this is going to help any but I believe the quotes by longtallguy are incorrect. My recollection was that Lulu came from the London Zoo, not Chessington Zoo. I seem to recall that in the very first part of the introduction of that Blue Peter item that is mentioned, but it’s missing from You Tube clip
The only thing I can offer as confirmation is this: See para 4 & 5.
http://www.thevervoid.com/media/bluepeter01.htm

I visited Chessington Zoo on a number of occasions in the ‘50s and early ‘60s and while they certainly had elephants then I’m not at all sure that they had them at all in the late ‘60s at all (But I could be wrong there). Nevertheless, local apocryphal stories/legend has it that at least one elephant was buried in the grounds. (Can’t vouch for that either though)

Deke


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Post 3

Lanzababy - Guide Editor

Very curious Ben, and I am sure when this is cleaned up a bit, so that the links are clickable, it will be intriguing for our readers.

smiley - mammoth?


smiley - biggrin Nice to see you here by the way!


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Post 4

Mrs Zen

Thank you Lanza. Z's offered to clean it up.

Interesting about it being London Zoo, Deke. I'll check the videos and the elephant databases. At present there are only two online references shown in google, the page you link to and your post in this thread!

B


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Post 5

McKay The Disorganised

As Abraham Lincoln said, "The problem with the internet is that some people tell lies."

smiley - cider


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Post 6

Mrs Zen

Heh. Nice one Mackay. smiley - ok

I've tidied up most of the links, but not actually tested them, I'm afraid.

It's a bit easier on the eye now.

Ben


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Post 7

h5ringer

For a future edit:

smiley - mod biger --> bigger
smiley - mod *apparently* authoritative trail from Chessington to Belfast

smiley - ok


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Post 8

Dmitri Gheorgheni - Not Banned in China

Nice. smiley - smiley Thanks for contributing to our crusade to provide models of good online research techniques, Ben. smiley - biggrin


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Post 9

sprout

Excellent. You won't find this on wiki! How about a mail to Chessington to sleuth a bit further?

sprout


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Post 10

Mrs Zen

smiley - blush

I'm going to re-write it slightly and put in a timeline for the known publications. I think it's rather interesting to see what information was in the public domain when. Helps me disentangle things. I have come to think that maybe tallslimguy is right in what he said, after all.

I'll update here when I'm done.

Ben


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Post 11

Deek

Well, apparently Lulu was from Chessington Zoo. This clip which starts a few secs earlier mentions Chessington. (It's the third item)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDx_oh8QW4

My apologies for the red herring, obviously my memory isn't what it was. A large slice of humble pie is being consumed as I type.

But:
Tallslimguy says Lulu was injured on return from filming and died a few days later:
>>Hi CityPickle I can assure you that poor Lulu died a few days after filming, I was with her at the time, We had to raise her with a "block and tackle" to ease her pain before the vetinary decided that she should be put out of her misery. Of course this was kept out of the public domain Remember this was nearly 40 years ago, I was about 17 yrs old at the time. I am 57 years old now,<<

Lulu may have died in the way described, but maybe not on that particular outing. The Blue Peter show was on 2/3rd July 1969 (and according to this it wasn't live):
http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/nmem/exhibitions/bluepeter/iconic.asp

You may already have seen these, but if not then there is an added complication from Pathe News records, which show:

Elephant promotes resturant Pathe 13/July/69

http://backup.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=63740

Lulu at Charlton football ground Pathe 9/10/69

http://backup.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=46215

I’m not sure if the ‘file dates’ from the Pathe clips are a good indication of the date the film was taken, but the one from October 69 indicates that Lulu was alive and still dragging her keeper around well after her alledged date of demise.

Thanks for an interesting article BTW. I got quite involved with Lulu, but as it indicates, you can't take anything on the web as gospel and require corroboration.

Deke


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Post 12

Mrs Zen

Ooh, cool, Deke. smiley - ok It is compelling, isn't it? I'm pulling together a table and will add your links in there if I may.

I must admit, I assume there were at least two Lulus;

smiley - mammoth Baby Lulu who died some time before the news item in the Montreal Gazette in June 1970

smiley - mammoth Irish Lulu who went from Dublin to Belfast and died there in 2006

Then we also have

smiley - mammoth Oiled Lulu and
smiley - mammoth Circus Hoffman Lulu - who may also be Irish Lulu

And finally there is

smiley - mammoth Wild Lulu - who may or may not have existed


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Post 13

Mrs Zen

Deke, I've taken the liberty of including your links, I hope that is ok.

I've also tidied up the table and tightened up the text.

Ben


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Post 14

Z

smiley - ok

Good work Ben.


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Post 15

Deek

Intriguing innit? smiley - smiley

Of course it's OK to include those links, Glad they are of use.

There's something else I'd like to explore but I'll have to let you know how it goes.

Deke


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Post 16

Deek

Just to put another twist in the elephant’s tale. I spent a couple of hours at the local Kingston Heritage Centre’s (read museum) and started looking thro’ the archived Surrey Comet newspaper for 1969. I got up to October and found another three references to Lulu. I’ve photographed them as best I can and they are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157629014311331/with/6755756973/

Sorry that the reproduction isn‘t too good. From them, I would say that Tallslimguy has confused a couple of different events. At least we can say that Lulu did NOT die just after the Blue Peter event. But, by coincidence two other adult elephants at Chessington, Candy and Barbara did, crucially, in the same week as the Blue Peter programme.

The first clipping is dated 12 July 1969 which is just ten days after the Blue Peter event and records their deaths the week before. The text of the report is:

Zoo Deaths Riddle.
A Post-Mortem on two of Chessington Zoo’s Indian Elephants, worth a total of £2,000, has failed to show why they died.
But on Wednesday an official at Chessington Zoo said, ’We believe that a member of the public gave one of the elephants a sandwich or something which was ’off’ -- and this caused gastro-enteritis.’
‘There were no ’Don’t feed these animals’ notices at the animal house. Now we shall have to put up warning signs’. ’Both animals were cadgers, so you can’t blame the public for wanting to feed them.’ said Mr Andrew Bowen, a zoo official.
The first hint anything was wrong was on Wednesday last week when Candy, who was 10 was wobbly on her feet.
A vet was called in to pump anti-biotics into her because she would not take any drugs in her feed. Barbara was taken ill soon afterwards.
Candy died at 11 am two days later, and Barbara at 7 pm the same day. The deaths were kept secret until a full post-mortem had been held by the Ministry of Agriculture.
An excavator was called in to dig a giant grave 14 feet deep, 20 feet across by20 feet wide in the zoo grounds. It took four hours. Then Candy and Barbara were buried in quick lime.
‘We don’t want anything like this to happen again’ said Mr Bowen. ‘The last time was over eight years ago when a baby elephant choked to death over food it was given by members of the public’.
Candy and Barbara were insured so the zoo won’t have to foot the bill. Now Mr Harry Snazle, general manager, is looking for replacements.
The only elephant left at the zoo is 18-month-old Lulu from Thailand.

A second article headlined ‘Baby Lulu Must Try to Forget‘ on 6 September refers to Lulu booked to appear again on Blue Peter on 15 September which was the first programme of a new series. It also refers back to the prior appearance on the 2nd July.

Lastly, on the 13 Sept there is a further report and photo of Lulu at a opening of a local hairdressers.

None of this tells us what did happen to Lulu but given the attention she's already received there’s a chance it may be recorded . I’ve got another booking with the centre later this week and intend to look up to Oct 1970 when she was first reported dead by the other paper. I’ll let you know if anything further comes up.

Deke.





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Post 17

Lanzababy - Guide Editor

I am loving this Entry, it just keeps getting better!

Thanks Deke, this is really cool stuff.


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Post 18

h5ringer

This is a classic example of why researchers need to go back to original source materials and not just troll the Internet.

Well done Deke smiley - applause


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Post 19

Mrs Zen

This is awesome. Really cool. smiley - applause


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Post 20

Sol

Interesting! I frankly suck at online research, so I am fascinated by how much you have got out of it, even if the results are inconclusive. If you ever fancy a companion piece showing how you went about the actual research I'd be hanging on your lips. Keypad. Whatever.

I wonder if the vagueness has something to do with the culture of public info relating to celebs at the time? Ie, the story being more impt than the strict truth (if that's true for that particular era, or indeed, ever). What would we find if we tried to get biographical info about a movie star of the time? Still, that's more a comment for when this appears in the EG. Must remember it.


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