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KB

Interesting one, Dmitri! smiley - cheers

I know you spoke just now about shortening it, but I was struck by a possible omission: China (although I thought I saw it coming at one point). Pretty good astronomical records were kept there before, after and right through the period in question. They were also much more independent of Europe than Arabic cultures of the same period.


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

Entry: The Phantom Time Hypothesis - Tree Rings and Jesus' Underwear - A84012040
Author: Dmitri Gheorgheni - U1590784

Thanks, KB. China also another source for independent checking, very true. Collating events, if possible, with any other calendar would probebly be a big help. smiley - smiley

As I pointed out, the annoying thing about the theory is the huge amount of work involved in cross-checking all this to prove the beggars wrong. smiley - laugh I think that's why it's so irritating.

Years ago, I read somewhere that astronomers in the UK felt that much progress had been made by 'proving Fred Hoyle wrong' - referring to the famous astronomer who often came up with theories that other astronomers found just plain weird. So far, attempts to show how wrong the Phantom Time Hypothesis is have led to a researcher pointing out the need for improvements in dendrochronology. I think that's a positive outcome, myself.

Okay, I broke down and added a whole paragraph to the intro, tweaked a phrase here and there, and found a h2g2 link to the Easter schlamazzel. smiley - smiley I hope this makes it a bit clearer, because adding a section on the Easter date problem would be way too much of a good thing. (And yeah, I thought everybody knew that one, which is horribly Eurocentric of me.)


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KB

Hmm, I think China's enough of a special case to deserve mentioning - both for the span of their records and their insulation from European jiggery-pokery. You don't have to put it in, of course - I was just very surprised not to see it. smiley - ok


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

If I find a reference to China somewhere, with a fact attached to it, I will include it. smiley - ok


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KB

Well, there are Tang Dynasty records which cover the period in question. How could this be, without a second, independent, Chinese invention of time?


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

This has been brought up. I have now added the Chinese and a footnote - although the prof who provided the footnote doesn't know how to write HTML properly. smiley - laugh Caveat lector.

Once more, I will repeat: I am not trying to prove this theory.

Now, I have to get back to work. Not all of us have bank holidays. smiley - run


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Leo


I like the intro better now that you broke up the questions. Head no longer spinning.

I'm still hung up on the fact that you didn't identify Heribert as the father of this theory. smiley - erm Isn't that kind of necessary?

I finally got the Nicene Council thing after reading the Straight Dope article. He says the point was only to bring it back to the Nicene date, not to completely reconcile the calendars.


I hear that you don't want to make it too long - just a taster, not an academic overview. It's a great entry and there's no need to add long explanatory paragraphs. I'm just trying to point out where it goes fuzzy for uninitiated. smiley - ok





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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

No, that's good. smiley - smiley The uninitiated are going to make up most of the readers, I suspect...

But I really thought I had identified Heribert Illig with this sentence:

>>The Phantom Time Hypothesis, as advanced by German researcher Heribert Illig, and expanded by Dr Hans-Ulrich Niemitz of the Hochschule für Technik, Wirtschaft und Kultur in Leipzig, claims the following:<<


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

Okay, just to make sure Illig doesn't get lost in the shuffle, I put him and Prof Niemitz into the introduction. Not as elegant, but possibly better for those used to reading inverted-pyramid style. smiley - smiley


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TRiG (Ireland) A dog, so bade in office

I was absolutely fascinated by this Entry, Dmitri.

TRiG.smiley - book


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Lanzababy - Guide Editor

Me too! Are we all done now?

Entry: The Phantom Time Hypothesis - Tree Rings and Jesus' Underwear - A84012040
Author: Dmitri Gheorgheni - U1590784


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The Apprentice

I like what I&#39;ve read so far... but, lunchtime has run out. I love:

"One could only conclude that, while there were obviously buildings there, churches and such, nobody ever came to town to sell a pig. Or at least, kept it a secret."

I expect that The Worshipful and Most Esoteric Union of Obfuscated Pig Sellers, founded in this period, will be getting itchy at the prospect of being uncovered by your investigations.

smiley - scientist

The Apprentice


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

smiley - rofl Thanks for that. I will take precautions against these Pig Sellers (extra-thick tinfoil). smiley - winkeye


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Vip

Inquiring minds do want to know. And know we shall!

smiley - biro"The term 'Dark Ages' is in disrepute to describe the period between 500-1000 CE, also referred to as 'Anno Domini', or 'AD'."
This almost sounds like the period 500-1000CE is also known as the Anno Domini period, rather than CE also being known as AD, which I think is what you mean.

smiley - biro"It is usually fairly easy to answer the question cui bono? in these cases."
Cui bono?

smiley - biroWho is Prester John, and is he as important as Charlemagne? More curious than anything; I've heard of Charlemagne but not Prester John.

smiley - biro"... into agreement with 325".
I don't understand this phrase. What's the 325 relating to? I assume it's a year, but why does it have to agree with anything? Actually, the whole of this paragraph confuses me. A difference of 1257 years? Where does that figure come from? The detractors figure settles what? Which figure is theirs? Sorry, it could be that I'm being a bit dense, but I can skim read it, and sort of feel I get the gist of it, but if I actually read it properly I come out more confused! smiley - laugh


It's still a good read. smiley - ok I love your writing.

I think your comments to Montana Redhead are interesting too and may be worth incorporating. Say, that Charlemagne wasn't made up completely, but could have been an amalgamation of different myths and stories, like Robin Hood. Many of the individual facts could be true, but attributed to a different time or to a different person. It makes it much harder to refute because the individual facts can be proven.

smiley - fairy


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

Okay, I'll go back and try to make it clearer. But I refuse to try and prove this theory. smiley - rofl

I'm not sure how to make it clearer that the AD business refers to 'CE', but I'll give it a shot.

Thanks for the careful reading. smiley - smiley


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Vip

Yeah, the AD/CE bitisn't easy to reword. I think I'd break it up into two sentences, but it isn't as elegant as the original:

"The term 'Dark Ages' is in disrepute to describe the period between 500-1000 CE. CE is also referred to as 'Anno Domini', or 'AD'."

smiley - fairy


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The Apprentice

I&#39;d opt for:

Modern historians dispute the use of the term &#39;Dark Ages&#39; to describe the period between 500-1000 CECommon Era, also referred to as &#39;Anno Domini&#39;, or &#39;AD&#39;..

Yes, you need to GuideML your entry for this option; but, if you have the inclination it&#39;ll make the life of a Sub easier later on!

smiley - biggrin

The Apprentice


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The Apprentice

Bottoms! That should have been:

Modern historians dispute the use of the term &#39;Dark Ages&#39; to describe the period between 500-1000 CE****Common Era, also referred to as &#39;Anno Domini&#39;, or &#39;AD&#39;.****.

Where **** denotes insertion of FOOTNOTE tags!

The Apprentice


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Vip

The Entry's already in GuideML. smiley - winkeye Yeah, it wouldn't harm to footnote it, I suppose. Up to Dmitri. smiley - smiley

smiley - fairy


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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

smiley - rofl I think I got it now - but let me know what you think.

Okay. It is your fault, people. This ridiculous entry is now longer by SEVERAL paragraphs. smiley - rolleyes

CE and AD finally sorted out, I sincerely hope.

I have explained Prester John in a footnote. I have allowed Will Durant to wax eloquent upon the subject of Charlemagne, with link. And mentioned medieval biographers, briefly (thanks, Montana Redhead).

Vip, thank you for being the only person HONEST enough to admit you didn't know what 'cui bono?' meant. smiley - hug


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