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friendlywithteeth

Entry: The Beginners Guide to Human Geography - A757712
Author: friendlywithteeth: the ACE who is remembering Proton, and asking people about Autogyros... - U193729

OK...Take II! THis entry has had a complete makeover [which has taken ages!] and is now shiny new!

Lots of constructive criticism please! smiley - smiley

FwT


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McKay The Disorganised

Very good. smiley - ok Makes geography sound interesting.

Couple of points - 'Where exactly is the River Tiber' is a bit meaningless even for Ms Robinson, perhaps 'Through which city does the River Tiber run ?'
'Placement of retail' (para1) is the word outlet missing here ?

'Be it age, gender, wealth and so on' This is a comparison and should read 'age, gender, wealth, or whatever'

'TNC's do are not accoutable' Think you have half-edited here.

'Have no electorate to please.' Leads one to think only shareholders, and perhaps invites a comparison of the needs of shareholders compared to needs of an electorate ?

'Though unfortunately this (opinion ? viewpoint ?) is shockingly under-represented. (final para)

Does your comment on globilisation mean you are in the throes of writing such a piece ??? I'd look forward to reading it if you were.

smiley - cheers


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Bels - an incurable optimist. A1050986

Sorry, haven't read the entry yet, but in reply to the above, shareholders of course _are_ an electorate. They elect the directors and vote on various things.


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Post 4

friendlywithteeth

Thanks very much McKay: it is smiley - ok

I'll change the things you mentioned!!

I'd like to read a piece on globalisation, but would have to a) look to see if there was one already, and b) do lots and lots of research!!

Thanks for the comments Bels.: [even though you should read it smiley - tongueoutsmiley - winkeye]

FwT


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Post 5

friendlywithteeth

Have made the changes you suggested [even though the weakest link q. was actually taken from a programme I watched smiley - tongueoutsmiley - winkeye]

Me half-edit? Never, because I never edit smiley - winkeye

The shareholders issue is more complex: because not every tnc is on the stock market [is that a plc?], plus I think it is hard to compare those who own shares [usually middle class, and often called the shareholder class] with a cross section of society. Also, they usually have the same aim in mind: earning more money, so are easier to please! I'm open to debate about how to amend it: but I'll keep it the same until a consensus is reached!

WHat do you think I ought to change my opinion too? Just get rid of the shockingly?

Talk soon,
FwT


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McKay The Disorganised

I meant that I thought the word opinion or viewpoint was missing from the sentence.

Some have described human geography as the way forward in terms of governing the world, though unfortunately this smiley - doh is shockingly under-represented in the world today.

Unless you meant that human geography was under-represented ?


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NAITA (Join ViTAL - A1014625)

I haven't had the energy for an indepth reading of this entry, but I'm still going to comment on the TNC-bit. smiley - smiley

I also think you need to reword the section that goes:
"The problem arises when TNCs have a larger economy than some less developed countries, yet are not as accountable for their actions as countries, because they have no electorate to please."
The TNCs do indeed have an 'electorate to please', they are called owners. But they are mostly interested in making money, and exploiting small countries is seldom counter-productive in the short term. Also there are plenty of countries where the rulers don't have to consider the opinion of an electorate.
I think the simplest way to put it would be
"... countries, yet do not have a direct responsibility for, or a direct interest in, what is best for the countries they operate in. They are first and foremost accountable to owners and shareholders who are mainly interested in profit."

Well, maybe not the simplest or best way... but I think a tweak of some kind is called for. smiley - smiley


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Researcher 177704

Perhaps you could provide an answer to the question 'Through which city does the River Tiber run?' smiley - smiley

Rome.

smiley - rocket


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Post 9

friendlywithteeth

Will make some changes later on: am currently about to fall asleep smiley - winkeye


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Post 10

Sea Change

Physical Geography? This is a peculiar concept to me. When I got my BS in Geology we called that geomorphology, and it was definitely considered part of our science. Researcher Rita has a geomorphological piece in Peer Review, even as I type. Is this what you meant?

Did you mean Political Geography, that explains the realpolitik of wealth generation from the Earth and why countries have(or try to have) their borders in configurations that are useful to get that stuff?

At the University I went to, Geography was definitely taught in the sociology department. I really don't understand the distinction you have made, here.

You Malthus paragraph reads a little oddly to me. Shouldn't it read instead "he supposed that 'resources always grew arithmetically'". It would seem to me that this would not always be so. Computer memory availability has increased geometrically, and I can think of several agricultual innovations that have seriously increased the amount of food out of direct proportion to the available arable land.

GM food may be undesireable to lots of folks, but I bet it eats just fine, for the starving.


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Post 11

friendlywithteeth

When did you do your BS(c?)? [if you dont want to answer thats finesmiley - ok]

Geography is now divided into human and physical geography: whereby physical geography is the more scientific in nature part of geography whereas human is more social science in nature: though the two do overlap...geography is no longer taught in sociology, biology or humanities departments: most have their own departments, be it 'geography' or 'geosciences'. Have you heard of GIS?

You have to remember that Malthus wrote in the 17th century: so they didnt have technological jumps...plus even now it still occurs arithmetically, you may disagree, but can you give some specific examples?

I'm not going to go into a discussion of GM food, trying to keep it as opinion free as possible...
smiley - cheersFwT


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Post 12

friendlywithteeth

People dont like the tnc electorate thing do they? smiley - winkeye

I've added a corresponding footnote, but am not totally happy with it? Any suggestions?


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Post 13

Sea Change

1986.

There might have been an administrative change I was unaware of. I still don't understand it. What does one measure in Physical Geography?

The instance of non-linear progression I had in mind was GM related. I have vague knowledge of the history of the plow, and so the first huge increase due to machined steel probably came a hundred or so years after Malthus. While he may have been correct at the time, we now know he is wrong, hence my suggested wording.

My argument from logic, as opposed to specific facts, is that folks no longer *need* to live in the country to get fed. That very same-sized hectareage of land that they left isn't fallow, it's still making food, and it's making more food. The size of the cities they go to, aren't just the sum of the population drain from the country, but are actually growing quite rapidly in addition to this population shift. The food to feed these folks has to come from somewhere. There is still an oversupply of grain rotting in the US of A. The general rise in wealth of the world may allow for some additional purchase from those stores, but it isn't a sufficient explanation on it's own.


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Post 14

friendlywithteeth

I dont know if an admin change has happened...but books ive read about human geography are less than ten yrs old: try going onto amazon, and look at the sub-categories [just doing so...] In books look at society, politics, and philosophy, social sciences, then human geography!

Physical geography includes things that are more biological, or chemical or geological...like river and coastal systems, or hazards [volcanoes etc] and lots more...

I will change the pop. comment as you suggested..I over looked it smiley - sorry Malthus's theory there may have been wrong, but the point is that we will reach a point of unsustainability, where there isnt enough food for everyone..

I'll go find Gordon: he declared himself to be a physical geographer in another thread...he might be able to help!

smiley - smiley


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Post 15

friendlywithteeth

Couldnt find Gordon: hes not been on for a while...

What do people think of it now?


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Gordon, Ringer of Bells, Keeper of Postal Codes and Maps No One Can Re-fold Properly

Whoops, I'm here! smiley - towel

Let me go read what's been going on during my inattentivity...


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Gordon, Ringer of Bells, Keeper of Postal Codes and Maps No One Can Re-fold Properly

Ok... I've now read everything...

Writing a good description of physicial geography is tough. Rather than reinvent the wheel, I stole this definition from http://www.geog.ouc.bc.ca/physgeog/contents/1c.html:

"Physical Geography studies the spatial patterns of weather and climate, soils, vegetation, animals, water in all its forms, and landforms. Physical Geography also examines the interrelationships of these phenomena to human activities."

There's a bit more to it than that, but the key words, which apply to both physical and human geography, are "spatial patterns".

There is definitely some overlap with geology, but geology is much more concerned with the rocks and minerals that make up the Earth and the processes involved. In general, people really don't enter the picture in geology.


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Post 18

friendlywithteeth

Hi Gordon smiley - smiley

Hope ye be ok!

What did you think: any major ommissions?

FwT: smiley - runs to go look at the post.


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Sea Change

I have read through the entry as it now stands, and now that I know the distinctions being made, it reads more clearly to me now.

I have one more question: does disease control and prevention fall within the purview of Human Geography? I expected to see it as a subheader somewhere, and I didn't infer it from the categories I read through.


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Gordon, Ringer of Bells, Keeper of Postal Codes and Maps No One Can Re-fold Properly

I wouldn't think disease control/prevention falls under human geography. True, some geographers study the spatial patterns of disease, but control and prevention of disease properly belongs to the health care community.


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