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rulishness

Post 41

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Seven years old?
My parents were scolding,"Stop making those noises!"


rulishness

Post 42

Spiff

Hi all, I totally missed this thread. Just enjoyed reading through it. :) Er, I thought this might be a good place to share this little caper with you: Now you too can top the verbosity charts! Just follow the Feeshkiwiman method and you are assured a place in the hearts of anyone who cares about these things. Check out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/F82120?thread=164312&skip=280&show=20#p1786541 All you need to achieve results like these: ------------------- Before:Feeshkiwiman(43 posts, average size 12) [Anonymous obscurity, in chart-topping terms :(] After: Feeshkiwiman(43 posts, average size 4122) [Success! A feeling of inner warmth and satisfaction. True blue verbosity, right there in black and white. Read 'em 'n' weep!] ------------------- And all this while still continuing mostly one line chats in the majority of your h2g2 threads! All you need is a simple mastery of the copy & paste functions on a computer. Go for it! Fame and glory are only a click away! seeya spiff


rulishness

Post 43

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

....well, thank you, spliff...second time this month i'll have to wash my monitor from the inside and erase my drive.....
I can see why you missed this thread...you were busy watching the activities of Ozzy and Harriet over there....a vastly more exciting bunch than we'uns....smiley - cry


A year ago this week.

Post 44

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Feb 18, 2003

Following Deidzoeb's link to an MSN group discussion on the Underguide project, I got waylaid by a another link there, very early on, and it lead me to the AggGag Alt-Guidelines and this conversation of almost exactly one year ago.

What a treat to read it all again! smiley - cheers We were still working on issue 13 of the original AggGag 42. We were so young, so idealistic, so impressionable ..and (as the record here clearly shows to anyone who reads the backlog) ..so right, so smart, so brave, so intelligent, so full of it! I mean so full of ambition, righteousness and revolutionary zeal.

BTW: Never unsubscribe from a conversation thread. You never know when someone will have something else to say. smiley - winkeye
smiley - biggrin
~jwf~


A year ago this week.

Post 45

Tonsil Revenge (PG)

Um. yeah. When?


A year ago this week.

Post 46

Deidzoeb

jwf, the funny thing is that some people discussing the Underguide thought this thing could be used for the UG guidelines! The latest version I'm trying to push on them has only 3 major "rules" (must not violate House Rules, must not plagiarize, should not compete with Edited Guide), 79% fewer guidelines than the Edited Guide. But there's still a lot of discussion of whether the Underguidelines ought to give potential writers an idea of what we're looking for. I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't try to limit it any way, leave it open for writers to be as creative as they can, but others want a laundry list of stylistic guidelines.

It also struck me when we were discussing guidelines for the Underguide how perfectly this episode illustrates the spirit of AGG/GAG/CAC. Back when Popeye chucklers kicked around ideas for guidelines, not only could we not agree on one set of guidelines, but about half of us participating in AGG/GAG created our own set of guidelines! Perfectly anarchic, in the best possible way.


A year ago this week.

Post 47

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

>> Perfectly anarchic, in the best possible way. <<

Which is why we have managed to keep it all together for so long. We have been able to maintain an ongoing presence for more than a year. We do at least provide an identity to that 'crisis of faith' every newbie feels when they have that mysterious longing for 'something'. This 'something' is hidden deep in each person's very personal expectations of a Guide to Hitchhiking the Galaxy.

No two expectations would be really alike, each is an individual perspective founded in personal secrets and experiences. The site cannot possibly satisfy this deep need or even identify it. We at least recognise its infinitely variable existence and allow space for researchers to ventilate upon it.

Discovering and joining h2g2 is perhaps like a visit to Disneyland.(I've never been, so I'm speculating.) You look forward to getting your Mickey Mouse ears and once you have them on your head it becomes apparent that a black hat is not appropriate in the Florida sunshine, nor do they give much protection from the rain and wind. But they are 'official' MM ears, y'wanted 'em, y'got 'em. The park attendants are used to hearing these complaints and trained to say, "Those are the offical ears, there are no other ears. If you have a complaint take it up with god, not DisneyCorp."

So our job is to stand on the road outside the gates and supply the disgruntled with Goofy masks. They aren't factory fresh Goofy masks either, they have been breathed upon since April 1999. But perhaps your Underguide can rectify that and get in a supply of allsorts of 'official' alternative gear for every taste. Peter Pan sparkle dust, Jiminy Cricket glasses, Davie Crocket muskets, Tron motorcycles, Shaggy Dog Stories...

I know longer have any idea what I'm talking about because my analogy is fading like water colour chalks in the rain... But I did want to say that your words "..anarchic, in the best possible way" have given me reason to carry on CACing, safely removed from whatever 'rules' or 'formulae' the Powers create for the Underguide. For no matter how well thought out, no matter how well intended, rules is rules and they get in the way.

smiley - peacedove
~jwf~


A year ago this week.

Post 48

Deidzoeb

My wishlist for the blackmarket store outside Disneyland would include a crisp VHS copy of "Song of the South." I have a flimsy illustrated storybook of Disney's "Br'er Rabbit and the Tarbaby" circa early 1970s, but there's no chance of the full movie being issued in an American format any time soon. I've often wondered if I could buy a cheap used "PAL" video player (the European standard?) just so I could get a copy of the video from eBay. Not sure if it's worth all that, but some day I'll find out.


A year ago this week.

Post 49

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

I bet the cost of having a transfer done from the original PAL format to American format VHS at a local video/digital shop would be less than buying a cheap PAL player. Shop around, rates will vary, but a basic 'dub' shouldn't be more than $20US and of course you get to keep your original and the VHS copy. While you're at it get two copies made, I'll buy one from you.

smiley - peacedove
~jwf~


A year ago this week.

Post 50

Deidzoeb

Actually if we wait a few years, we can probably download it from someone for free. It's funny how pundits have been talking about the prospects of "video on demand" for the last few years, and yet right now, anyone with a new enough computer and a fast enough connection can download an increasing body of videos, music, books, all for free. (Illegal, but as unstoppable as reel tape players copying songs off radio.)

Anyhow, if I actually buy a copy and find someplace to dub it, I'll let you know.


A year ago this week.

Post 51

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - ta
I assume the reason it is not available in US VHS format is the perceived racism inherent in its loving tribute to the speech and character of rural black folk.

The singing crows or blackbirds scene in 'Dumbo' ("I ain't nebber seen an elephant-fly!") will probably be removed (or 'mod'ified) before that film is released again.

The old Disney cartoons are full of such 'colourful' characterisations. In my opinion they are not only innocent of the charge of racism, they are a positive refelction of their times.

What a shame that hindsight isn't always 20-20 when one has a thin skin and a political agenda. To lose these works of art, these glimpses of the first attempts at racial tolerance because someone today thinks they are demeaning and racist is the worst kind of revisionist tinkering.

peace
jwf


A year ago this week.

Post 52

Deidzoeb

If my great-grandfather had been owned, I don't know how I'd feel about watching some smiling old man escorting the white kids around. And there's the whole "tarbaby" scene, in which Br'er rabbit gets angry and tries to beat up what he thinks is an insolent black kid sitting on a log.

You're right about the black crows in Dumbo. A few other cases I can think of are some Indian scenes from Peter Pan (still in the movie? can't remember), and a Warner Bros cartoon in which Bugs Bunny gets chased around by a caricatured black boy. The boy is filling about the same role that Elmer Fudd usually fills, but at one point Bugs distracts the kid from hunting rabbit by pulling out some dice -- the boy is unable to resist, has to grab the dice and the rabbit and jump behind some bushes where they shoot craps for a minute.

That one is pretty definitely demeaning to the black character, but the more I think about it, they're not too generous to Elmer Fudd either. Elmer has a speech impediment, caricatured features, does dumb things, treats other characters badly. I guess the difference is who made the thing. If rabbits had made cartoons about stupid humans like Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam, humans might get mad.

The funny thing is that they apparently still sold videos of this in the UK and Europe. Not enough people over there complaining about it, I guess.


A year ago this week.

Post 53

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

>> Not enough people over there complaining about it, I guess. <<

Britain abolished slavery about sixty years earlier, so maybe they've had more time to get over it smiley - yikes. No really it's the political correctness monster of America which feeds on the potential for litigation. Your typical euro types are much more open minded and have a broader sense of humour. I hate to say it but they are more in touch with reality and humour in the face of fear and the unknown has always been one of their best qualities.

There are those among the black population of America who want all the 30s, 40s, 50s and early 60s portrayals of blacks, as happy go-lucky, lazy smiling idjuts or zoot-suited crap-shooting jazzmen banned if not burned. Even Satchmo, Louis Armstrong, who created the wide-eyed toothy grinned stereo-type is being called an Uncle Tom when he should be recognised for the social mover he really was. His unthreatening 'be happy' image was the breakthough into white entertainment that most of jazz, half or rock and roll and a lot of films were waiting for.

Of course the colour blindness of radio helped change the world as well. I was impressed that in every report I heard about the recent pepper spray stampede at a Chicago nightclub there was not a single mention of it being a 'black' nightclub or that those killed were mostly (if not all) blacks. On TV of course it was fairly obvious but again no one actually said the word black or any other euphemism to characterise the club or the victims.

Times have changed. And for the better. And there is no reason to 'hide' the past. In fact 'revisionism' is far more dangerous than the awful truth and only from the truth can we hope for understanding and enlightenment.

peace
jwf


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