A Conversation for Franz Joseph Haydn, 1732-1809

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Post 1

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

There are edited guide entries on the symphony and the string quartet. They mention Haydn, so I will see about giving them a mention, possibly at the end of my article.


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Post 2

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I have added references to these topics at the end of my article.

As I was doing so, I noticed that the Guide does not have any general entries on Choral music, oratorios, or Masses. Granted, there are entries on specific oratorios such as Handel's "Messiah," and Paul McCartney's "Liverpool oratorio."

When I did a search on "Haydn's Creation," the two top results were my own proposed entry, and an entry on Haydn as the composer that one might want to bring to a desert isle.


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Post 3

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I take my hat off to the researcher wrote "Joseph Haydn,. my composer for a desert island." A1154387

In excellent prose he explains why each of the pieces he lists should be regarded as great. This afternoon, in my spare time, I will explore the Opus 33 string quartets. He is that persuasive.

I think that his work could be a nice complement to my entry -- we both recommend many of the same pieces.

The catch is that A1154387 is not an edited entry, and probably couldn't be one because it is written from a personal point of view. That's a pity.

A question for the editors: Could I nevertheless reference it in my entry?


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Post 4

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

We don't link to unedited entries because they can be tampered with. There are personal entries in the EG. A quick search brings up:
A75683 Diabetes - a Personal Perspective
A169652 Driving from Bristol to Dresden in a Citroen DS23 EFI - a Personal Perspective
A306361 How To Pick Up A Porcupine - A Personal Perspective
A352513 The Green Flash - a Personal Perspective
A401905 Training for the Antarctic - a Personal Perspective
A505568 Aiding, not Disabling - a Personal Perspective
A637427 Wisdom Tooth Removal - a Personal Perspective

smiley - cheers

GB (on behalf of the h2g2 Editors)


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Post 5

SashaQ - happysad

I see the Desert Island Haydn was featured in The Post A1172314


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Post 6

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I think it's a really good article that would expand on some things I was trying to say too.

I think I will tie it in at the end of my article. smiley - run


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Post 7

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I have not only tied the desert island article to my entry, but also the disappearance of Haydn's skull from his burial chamber.


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Post 8

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

smiley - applause


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Post 9

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

This evening I'm taking a break from my labors and listening to Haydn's "Creation" (in English) on Youtube. This is my number guilty pleasure, as it always cheers me up. I need cheering up lately smiley - smiley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l07oRR4u-rk&pbjreload=101


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Post 10

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

Haydn's music struck a chord in my heart. It is a great natural antidepressant. It is just about time for me to listen to his "The Seasons," especially the part about Spring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7Tt7Yjxjs

I need Spring badly!

The last three weeks here have been ghastly, with long stretches of unusually cold weather when the high temperatures rarely went above 20 degrees F. for three or four days. I lost my water and felt trapped.


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Post 11

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

Here's the second part of Spring in"The Seasons:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STglr1jvTKY

(Note that Haydn throws in a phrase from his "Surprise symphony" to add some jocularity)


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Post 12

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I notice that my entry on Haydn's missing skull does not tie in to this entry. Is there a chance that after this entry is added to the edited guide, such a tie will be made?


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Post 13

Gnomon - time to move on

Hi Paul.

I've spotted a couple of places in this where you link to the wrong entry. For Haydn's Skull, use 88013207 which is the edited version. For String Quartets, use 4292264.

When this is picked and becomes edited, you should then request a link to be added to the Skull entry pointing to this one.


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Post 14

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I've been told that my haydn entry has a snowball's chance in hell of being chosen for the edited guide


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Post 15

SashaQ - happysad

If you keep working on it, you'll get there - I see you've responded to the feedback in Peer Review so far (I like the section about the Surprise Symphony smiley - biggrin). Including more about Haydn the Man, as Gnomon suggests, will make this Entry even stronger smiley - ok

SashaQ <./>scout</.>


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paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

Thanks, Sasha. I'll see what I can do. I got depressed over the suggestion that I include an incident about a gold coin. I could find nothing about it.


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Post 17

Gnomon - time to move on

I think it is very likely that your entry will be chosen, but you should try to make it more comprehensive, not just a study of the music he wrote.


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Post 18

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

Hence the need to tie in what I wrote in "Haydn the man." That makes a lot of sense


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Post 19

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I've rewritten it, adding much of the material in "Joseph Haydn the man," but I'm going to sleep on it and reread it tomorrow before posting it


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Post 20

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I've made most of the changes that were suggested and tweaked everything
else. As far as Luigia Polzelli is concerned, I think that she was as much muse as mistress for Haydn. I have a CD of arias that he wrote for her, and other artists have also recorded the pieces. This is part of his musical legacy; there seems to be little modern interest in the operatic material he wrote for anyone else. I've herd his "Il Mondo della luna" and the Orfeo opera he wrote for London. He did not have great librettists, and does not seem to have been able to overcome poor libretti the way Purcell and Mozart might have. Thus, it is the individual songs that have to carry the weight. People seem to be interested in songs he wrote for his muse-mistress... I am also fond of a few songs he wrote in England to English texts -- "The mermaid song" and "She never told her love." As with the Luigia Polzelli songs. Haydn developed strong feelings for the Englishwoman who gave him the text for the latter song. Haydn needed a muse.

Anyway, please be gentle. I tried to explain, at the outset, why Haydn the man was remarkable, and in the rest of the entry I tried to explain how his personal traits shaped his music.

What has been lost is the original focus on pieces that the reader might want to hear. On the other hand, the reader might be motivated to hear how Haydn's traits were expressed musically.


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