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Post 7841

azahar

Moth,

Then I would have to say that my plane dream this morning was a lucid dream as I can still see it clearly in my mind's eye, the exact colour and shinyness of the plane, etc - really, woke up feeling most strange.

I have a recurring dream (nah, won't bore you with the details) but *everytime* I have this dream I am convinced I am awake. And at some point in the dream I will say to myself, or to someone else - 'You know, this feels just like those recurring dreams I keep having.' And then I get scared (cos it's a weird dream) and wish I could do something - this time - to get out of what I wish was just a dream.

Then - at least up until now smiley - biggrin - I wake up.

az


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Post 7842

azahar

And what about deja vu? Just a glitch in the Matrix? smiley - winkeye


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Post 7843

Recumbentman

Noggin quotes:--
"Being does not arise from non-being; something cannot come from nothing."

This may be the source of the most basic disagreement of all.

Darwinism is a demonstration that being can indeed arise out of non-being; or at least that life can arise out of the non-living, intelligence can arise out of non-intelligence, and so forth.

Apart from it *feeling* wrong, what does the argument against this consist of? It boils down to a version of the assumption "The greater cannot contain the less"; but we buy big plastic bags wrapped in small plastic bags every day.


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Post 7844

Recumbentman

"The greater cannot contain the less" -- smiley - erm reverse that. You know what I mean.


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Post 7845

Moth

Recumbentman

"Darwinism is a demonstration that being can indeed arise out of non-being."

So to make that complete we could say; nothing - matters. smiley - biggrin


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Post 7846

Moth

Az
Deja vu.
An intentional glitch in the matrix.
A 'backdoor' in the 'program'.


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Post 7847

azahar

Moth,

Can't wait to see Reloaded - hope I'm not disappointed.

az


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Post 7848

Bodhisattva

"Darwinism is a demonstration that being can indeed arise out of non-being."

I think you could argue that it isn't. It is a possible explanation, but not a demonstration, for it is not supported by evidence. Nor does it explain "being arising out of non-being" - ironically, "Origin of the species" explains CHANGE, not ORIGIN, of life.


I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction

Post 7849

Researcher 227118

i am a christian, get me out of here!

(well, get me out of hell neway)


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Post 7850

toxxin - ¬°umop apisdn w,I 'aw dlaH

But, Bod: It isn't called 'Origin of Life'. Rather, it explains how new species evolve from old. However, inert matter isn't 'nothing'! When we consider the origin of everything, then either it's always been there or started from nothing or from something that has always been there and doesn't count as part of 'everything'. And that's just the simple part!


I'm gonna raise a mass theological debate here: God; fact, or fiction

Post 7851

Andrea

Both

Fiction = if you believe in the Christian god, then it's definitely fiction, but ....

Fact = if you believe that the earth around you (Gaia theory) is one organism and our lives depend on her, then yes, she is God.

I go with the latter theory - the earth is all we have - we are dependent on her and we should look after her better


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Post 7852

alji's

azahar (hnm) wrote;
>btw, what exactly is lucid dreaming?

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreaming.html

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

Moth a web-friend of mine had a NDE when he was seven;
http://www.chipoletti.org/index.html

smiley - wizard Blue/Green Alji


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Post 7853

badger party tony party green party

Andrea I can see where your coming from. In that you regard *god* to be gaia and that the planet is itself alive. However you contradict your self by defining gaia as female.

Surely Gaia is above and beyond sex in that it contains both male and feamle elements within its self.

Perhaps you are falling into the same conceit as those who dreamt up the patriarchal religions by casting *god* in the same gender as yourself, or perhaps this is a backlash against the male centred christian church.


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Post 7854

Recumbentman

Bodhisattva -- what can you mean by "[Darwinism] is not supported by evidence"?

Of all major life-science theories, there is more evidence for Darwinism than for any other. It is a very big field of research, to put it extremely (ridiculously) mildly.

As for "being arising out of non-being" see post 7512 (6 days ago)


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Post 7855

Moth

Alji
Isn't it strange that when I read these other NDE, they turn out to be people from all corners of the world and different cultures and yet their thinking processes are very similar to my own.
I recognise me in them.


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Post 7856

Moth

Isn't it true that Gaia is just another name for Mother Nature and that in it's self is a much easier concept name for various people to comprehend?


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Post 7857

Moth

The theory of evolution is supported by evidence, but I have not come across the part of the theory which explains something from nothing. Evolution is itself about adapted change.
Evolving is changing from first form, but doesn't explain first form's creation.


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Post 7858

Moth

PS
'Evolving is changing from first form, but doesn't explain first form's creation'
If it had, we wouldn't all be having this discussion. smiley - biggrin


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Post 7859

azahar

hi blickybadger,

I didn't get the impression that Andrea either contradicted herself or showed any kind of conceit by referring to Gaia as female. As Moth said, we often call the the earth 'mother earth'. I don't think it is ever meant as a sexist remark. smiley - smiley

Certainly Gaia is meant to encompass all life: human, animal, plant life. I've never had the feeling that this concept was any sort of 'backlash' against patriarchal religions.

az


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Post 7860

azahar

hi Alji,

Thanks for the info.

It turns out that lucid dreaming is dreaming while knowing that you are dreaming.

Sounds quite the opposite of my experience of dreaming and feeling totally convinced that I'm awake.

One of the web-sites asked - 'How do you know that you're not dreaming now?' Eek! smiley - smiley

az


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