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Post 1

Is mise Duncan

Society as we now know it could not exist at all without oil, coal and natural gas. We have between 50 to 100 years of these resources left :. we have a big problem coming up.

The dictum of the old green parties of abstinence is not possible - no democratic society could support the drop in the standard of living that would be needed to allow us to exist with current technologies of sustainable energy sources and renewable resources.

So - how do we solve this problem? I'm afraid that the answer may lie with GM crops. It is already possible to refine rape seed oil into a fuel that can be used as a low grade diesel...could GM mean that one day we can grow a form of rape seed that yelds crude oil?


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Post 2

TheOkapi - Sensitive Scout...So Do It PROPERLY!

Hi DJ(S)!
Ah, this is great! Just the sort of thing I was hoping would be forthcoming! I realise that, as it stands, the HIP page is, perhaps, a little too 'one sided'(?) but information about the possibilities of using villified technology/science, as you mention,could be the way to go to try and balance it out a bit! You couldn't possibly forward me some info on where I might go and do a little research on this topic, could you? It would be interesting to see where the 'Greens' stand on that issue as well. Food for thought and eventual inclusion, I think, once the skeleton of the pages has been well and truly established.
Thanks for the contribution!
TheOkapi smiley - bigeyes


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Post 3

Is mise Duncan

I'm only just begining to look into this myself; as it occured to me last weekend, ironically enough on a 14 hour flight!
However, a few stark facts - sitting here in my office I can't see one single thing which was made without any oil being used at all. Most of these things are useful if not essential to my career therefore I cannot be employed without an oil-based economy.
Hmm - off to new scientist for some research...

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Post 4

Wonko

Have you ever thought about it that way:?

It is unhuman to grow fuel replacements instead of food as long as one human beeing is still starving to death.


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Post 5

Is mise Duncan

In general, no-one is starving because _the world_ doesn't have enough food...it does.

People are starving because their locality hasn't enough food and the extra food from elsewhere can't get through (lack of money, war etc.)


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Post 6

Wonko

But wouldn't that change as soon as we start to replace fuel by food, taking into account the lage quantities of fuel we need?


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