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laconian

It's strange, I've never seen it written 'Presceli' before. Is that an Anglicisation? I have always spelled it without the 'c'.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

Well, I've got at least three Entries in the EG (Salisbury, Wiltshire and Stonehenge)all of which mention Preseli. (I've seen this spelled 3 or 4 different ways in different places, so I'm not sure which is the definitively correct way. P'haps we'll have to ask one of our smiley - dragon colleagues, preferably one who lives there!smiley - biggrin.

When I edited the SH Entry this week I noticed it had at least 2 different spellings, which I tried to alter to make them consistent with the other two. I thought I'd used 'Preseli'. However, when I checked the other two, I found I'd been inconsistent between those as well smiley - yikessmiley - grr. At some point, I'll make sure they're all consistent.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

smiley - ok I've standardised this Entry on Preseli now smiley - smiley


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Gnomon - time to move on

So why have you moved the positioning of the aligned stones (station stones, heel stone etc) from the same time as the bank to much later at the same time as the blue stones?


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Gnomon - time to move on

My dates were based on those of Professor RJC Atkinson, "Stonehenge" Publisher: Hamish Hamilton 1956.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

'So why have you moved the positioning of the aligned stones (station stones, heel stone etc) from the same time as the bank to much later at the same time as the blue stones?'

Because the latest dating shows that the bluestones were the earliest stones on site (2300 BC). Also, as you said in one of your posts above, the bluestones were moved probably to make way for the optical alignments of the new sarsen. The bluestones were moved in 2100 BC. Also, Mike Pitts (author of 'Hengeworld' who has directed studies at SH), is convinced that 'the structure we recognise today would have been built in a brief, efficient flurry of activity; maybe over as little as five or 10 years. Everything speaks of an organised project that would have to have been built fast or the impetus would have been lost'.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

... also see my post 14.


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Gnomon - time to move on

I never said that the bluestones were moved to make room for the astronomical alignments.

I said that some of the astronomical alignements were damaged when the sarsen stones were erected, suggesting that the astronomical use had already been abandoned or forgotten when the sarsen stones were built.

We know that the people of Ireland were obsessed with aligning their tombs with the rising or setting sun in 3000 BC.

We know that the original causeway of the henge was roughly aligned with the rising sun on midsummer's day when it was built at around that time.

We know that the astronomical alignment stones are much cruder than the bluestones, being uncut, just chosen to be the shape they are, exactly like the stones that the builders in 3000 BC used in tombs around the British Isles.

All these indicate that the alignment stones belong to the original henge.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

Well, as I say, the latest radiocarbon dating (2008) indicate that the bluestones were the very earliest stones to be at Stonehenge. Darvill and Wainwright say that, as they've been present at every constructional stage of SH, they are, in fact, the most important feature of SH.

The Timewatch hyperlink I've inserted shows an animation of the suggested new phases in the construction of SH.


smiley - sorry I misinterpreted what you said about astro alignments being damaged when the sarsens were erected. But, itr made a lot of sense to me as to why the bluestones had been re-configured - it still does smiley - smiley


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Gnomon - time to move on

I can't watch that timewatch video, because like a lot of BBC stuff it is only viewable in the UK. smiley - grr Even though I pay the BBC (through Sky) for watching their their television channels.


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Gnomon - time to move on

I'll ask the eds is it ok to link to a dodgy BBC site like that.smiley - grr


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Gnomon - time to move on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/F47997?thread=5964712&post=69937453#p69937453


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

smiley - ok I didn't realise that it wasn't viewable outside the UK smiley - grr


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Gnomon - time to move on

Well, the Eds are happy that the link should be left in.

smiley - ok

It does mean, however, that I'm unable to help you any further on the issue of dating, because I can't see that reference.


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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Is this link helpful at all?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7660860.stm


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

Not a lot really, smiley - ta GBsmiley - smiley, as in my Update, I was arguing that the bluestones were the first stones on site, and so this puts that date as being even earlier. The date I would really like is for the the 'astronomical observation' sarsen stones.

It is interesting of course. Profs Parker-Pearson and Darvill are really in conflict with each other, and I made that clear in the Entry


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Gnomon - time to move on

I thought the term "sarsen stones" only applied to the big rectangular carved stones used to make the circle and the lintels and the trilithons. I didn't think it applied to the stones that look a lot older which were used for the alignments (the station stones, the stones on either side of the causeway and the heel stone).


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

See , for example, http://witcombe.sbc.edu/earthmysteries/EMStonehenge.html

or, dare I say it, wikipedia using the term 'heelstone'.


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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows

I've just added a footnote to incorporate that info, GB smiley - oksmiley - smiley


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Gnomon - time to move on

I don't accept the dating on that Witcombe site at all. I feel that the astronomical alignments were a much earlier feature than the ring of Sarsen stones, because (a) some of the astronomical alignments were blocked by the placement of the Sarsen stones and (b) aligning with the rising sun at various dates was just so 3rd Millennium BC.


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