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FordsTowel Started conversation Aug 25, 2008
Entry: Brown Sauce - in progress - A39774685
Author: FordsTowel - U227087
I was reading an older entry, on the Great English Breakfast (A103177), and noticed that the link was broken to 'Brown Sauce'.
Here is my attempt to fill that gap in the guide.
As always, I'm very open to constructive criticism to improve the entry, but I really need help tweaking the recipe. The intent is to emulate the HP Brown Sauce.
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Websailor Posted Aug 25, 2008
HP is no longer British so a bit of history would not come amiss. The fight to preserve it in the UK failed and it has gone to Holland I believe, and somewhere else too, I seem to remember.
Websailor
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Malabarista - now with added pony Posted Aug 25, 2008
Ah, so that's what this mysterious "brown sauce" is. Can't help you optimise, never having tried it.
But I can nitpick you have a "one tablespoons" and a few -ize forms in there.
Also, why the switch to written numbers rather than digits at the end of the ingredients list?
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FordsTowel Posted Aug 25, 2008
Yes, the old HP (still controversial whether this is the inventor's initials or stands for House of Parliament) has been outsourced.
All the more reason why I'd like to offer a home-brewed substitute and move away from dwelling on any original product. (Not like it was the only one, in any case).
As to why the mixup on the numbering? Bob only knows!
I'll fix it!
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McKay The Disorganised Posted Aug 26, 2008
I'm no good on recipes - especially when I don't like the end product.
But I couldn't see any problems.
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Icy North Posted Aug 26, 2008
I think the HP story would stand alone as a separate entry (I have a ton of stuff on it and it was on my longlist of entries to write some day). The brand changes hands every few years - Danone and Heinz have owned it in recent times. The recent kerfuffle was when Heinz closed the Aston factory and shifted production to Holland.
This one is fine as a recipe entry. It's odd that your substitute sauce doesn't use tamarind, which gives it its distinctive flavour.
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For the history of brown sauce, the OED first records it in John Nott's "The cook's and confectioner's dictionary" (1723):
"To make brown Sauce. Toss up Cives, Parsley, Capers and Anchovies in a Sauce-pan, [etc.]."
Literary reference? In Charles Dickens' Hard Times (1854), Mrs Sparsit's favourite supper was sweetbread in a savoury brown sauce. (The quote's out there on the Web)
Icy
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DaveBlackeye Posted Aug 26, 2008
I found your units confusing - what is a "C", or a "Lb"? Perhaps metric would be safer.
Otherwise excellent
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Aug 26, 2008
And what is tspoon? T like in teaspoon, or T like in tablespoon?
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FordsTowel Posted Aug 27, 2008
Thanks all!
For the moment, I've standardised the measuremennts. I may yet convert them to metric, but that's another pass.
I think that I also covered all the other suggestions, and the recipe has change a bit in the bargain!
I, too, see Tamarind as an important ingredient, and I've adjusted others to make room for other additions.
As always, I love to hear how I'm doing!
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BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows Posted Aug 28, 2008
'For the moment, I've standardised the measuremennts. I may yet convert them to metric, but that's another pass'.
What most of us in this situation have been doing is giving both units i.e imperial then metric in brackets immediately after (or vice versa)
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FordsTowel Posted Aug 28, 2008
Hey, IcyNorth, that would be GREAT!
The trickiest part may be deciding whether or not to take sides on the 'What does HP stand for?' question!
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Icy North Posted Aug 28, 2008
Well, it's there now, so judge for yourself... A40148606
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FordsTowel Posted Aug 28, 2008
Icy North:
Quite Nice! A great addition to the history of 'English Cuisine'!
Such a pity that the workers were not able to purchase the business for themselves to run.
Gee, this is going to create a dilemma?! I wrote the Brown Sauce entry to supplement the English breakfast entry; but, now, this one may do that just as well or better!!
I'm not putting any money down on THIS one!
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Icy North Posted Aug 29, 2008
The two are completely exclusive, as far as I'm concerned. I only wrote about the unusual story of that particular brand, but this entry on how to make your own is great.
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FordsTowel Posted Aug 29, 2008
Thanks Icy North!
Yes, they are quite different, and both could end up in the E.G.; but which do you think would be a better link in the English Breakfast entry? That is my question.
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Aug 29, 2008
I don't know that entry, but if it's about breakfast, I'd say your entry is the better choice, being a recipe.
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Icy North Posted Aug 29, 2008
I'd link 'brown sauce' to this and 'HP sauce' to the other one. Whichever, maybe we can ask them to link to the other one via the section...
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Peer Review: A39774685 - Brown Sauce - in progress
- 1: FordsTowel (Aug 25, 2008)
- 2: Websailor (Aug 25, 2008)
- 3: Malabarista - now with added pony (Aug 25, 2008)
- 4: FordsTowel (Aug 25, 2008)
- 5: McKay The Disorganised (Aug 26, 2008)
- 6: Icy North (Aug 26, 2008)
- 7: DaveBlackeye (Aug 26, 2008)
- 8: aka Bel - A87832164 (Aug 26, 2008)
- 9: Malabarista - now with added pony (Aug 26, 2008)
- 10: FordsTowel (Aug 27, 2008)
- 11: Icy North (Aug 28, 2008)
- 12: BigAl Patron Saint of Left Handers Keeper of the Glowing Pickle and Monobrows (Aug 28, 2008)
- 13: FordsTowel (Aug 28, 2008)
- 14: Icy North (Aug 28, 2008)
- 15: FordsTowel (Aug 28, 2008)
- 16: Icy North (Aug 29, 2008)
- 17: FordsTowel (Aug 29, 2008)
- 18: aka Bel - A87832164 (Aug 29, 2008)
- 19: Icy North (Aug 29, 2008)
- 20: FordsTowel (Aug 29, 2008)
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