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A88026078 - The Kett Rebellion of 1549

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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Entry: The Kett Rebellion of 1549 - A88026078
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A88026078 - The Kett Rebellion of 1549 and how William Shakespeare got his Education for Free

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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Tweaked the title and added a little more information.

Another one of the demands was to be able to marry without their landlord's permission. smiley - doh

That's probably a whole other entry...


A88026078 - The Kett Rebellion of 1549 and how William Shakespeare got his Education for Free

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Dmitri Gheorgheni - Post Editor

smiley - applause Very informative - and tells it like it was!


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SashaQ - happysad

Thank you for this - I learned something of Tudor history at school, but the focus of the lessons was definitely more on the rich than the poor, so this Entry is very informative...

I just had a few questions as I read through.

"the minor Tudor monarch Edward VI" - is this saying Edward VI was a minor (under 21) when he was a monarch?

"a folk hero as a defender of the rights of common people to the people of Norwich" - "a folk hero, as a defender of the rights of common people, to the people of Norwich"?

"Treasures of the British Library" - was that 2021?

Interesting question about free education in the UK these days - I think children can stay at school for free for a couple of years after the age of 16, or they can leave school at 16 but then must take part in at least part time education or training until they are 18 - too much information for this Entry! I didn't know about college grants, but that is good that there is help to access further education smiley - ok

Impressive connections between people in this Entry - I couldn't imagine how the items in the title would fit together, but that is cleverly done smiley - applause


A88026078 - The Kett Rebellion of 1549

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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Oh my, I have just managed to log in after 5 weeks in the wilderness. I'll get to this entry tomorrow... smiley - run


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Otto Fisch ("One, you started coming over. Two, you started sleeping over. Three, you started taking over. Four, you told me it was over.")


I enjoyed reading this - I'm just finishing CJ Sansom's novel 'Tombland' which is set during the Kett Rebellion. His particular gift as a novelist is the ability to bring his settings to life and make them rich and thoroughly plausible worlds. He also does a lot of research, and the book contains an essay about bringing the rebellion to life. Which I've not read yet.

The way the class conflict is framed in the novel is between the "gentlemen" and the rest, rather than the more modern upper/middle class division. The protestors don't really distinguish between the aristocrats and the lawyers (like the protagonist) and the gentlemen farmers (like the Ketts) who are all part of the problem.

The book also pains the 'rebels' as loyal to the crown, but against the abuses of the local gentry and petitioning the protector for justice through the promised land commissioners. It also gives the rebels rather more military credit - it claims they had artillery and some veterans of the war with Scotland on their side who did a lot of training. It also claims that there were a number of similar risings in other parts of the country, mainly put down earlier or given pardons.

Of course, it's just a novel and Sansom's sympathies are very much with Kett, but he's usually very careful about accuracy.

I think there's a case for the Peasant's Revolt as the first 'class war', though that's only if we think of class war as being started by the downtrodden classes rebelling. Rather than the ruling class persecuting and pillaging to enrich themselves at the expense of the least able to afford it.



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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Thank you for your comments Dmitri and Sasha - I have fixed what needed fixing.

Otto - I had no idea about that book - thank you for reading my entry on the subject. I learned about the Kett Rebellion from Benjamin Zephaniah's visit to the British Library television programme. I will tweak my entry to reflect the veterans and artillery, thank you smiley - smiley

I know about the Lincolnshire Rising because that was in my locality and it's well known as local history (I live 15 miles from Louth where it began), in fact it's my next entry so stay tuned smiley - biggrin

GB smiley - towel


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Otto Fisch ("One, you started coming over. Two, you started sleeping over. Three, you started taking over. Four, you told me it was over.")


Thanks GB smiley - smiley

'Tombland' is the most recent book in the Shardlake series, but could be read as a stand alone novel. There are recurring characters, but the book doesn't assume that the reader will remember... it's narrated from Shardlake's POV and he reminds his reader.

I'd thoroughly recommend it, and the rest of his books. I don't think the plots are always the strongest.. it's all about the characters and the setting... it's entirely vivid, believable, and coherent.

I've now finished it and read the historical essay at the back. Samsom argues that the battle was very bloody, but wasn't a one sided massacre and much more of a closely-fought affair. The royal troops were better armed and armoured and had Swiss/German Landsknecht mercenaries, but the army veterans and rapidly-trained rural poor put up one hell of a fight. He also thinks that Protector Somerset handled the whole 'rebellion' ineptly, and (deliberately or otherwise) provoked them to violence by offering no concessions or remedies for their grievances. He gave them nothing to lose.

In the essay, his version of the class distinction is between those who work with their hands for a living and those who don't.




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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

OK thanks Otto - is there anything you'd like me to change in my entry (I haven't read those books)smiley - cheers


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Otto Fisch ("One, you started coming over. Two, you started sleeping over. Three, you started taking over. Four, you told me it was over.")


Perhaps mention the Peasants' Revolt in the context of the first 'class war' in England.

I think the description of the second battle makes it sound more one-sided than it was. Perhaps

"bloody, hard fought, but ultimately decisive. The rebels fought hard and well, but were much less well equipped than the Crown soldiers and mercenaries from the European continent that they faced in battle. Veterans from the disastrous wars with Scotland had provided the rebels with a remarkable amount of military training in a short period of time, but this was one battle too far".

Isn't education free up until 18 in the UK?



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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Thanks Otto, I've updated the entry and given you an additional researcher credit which will show up on the edited entry.

As to your question about free education, I am unable to find concrete evidence of free education up to 18, I found this on the Government website: http://www.gov.uk/guidance/16-to-19-education-financial-support-for-students

I left school at 16 and went straight into work. My own children left at 16 and went to college, which was free then. I don't know what the case is in England now but there are other links for Scotland, etc., really too much of a smiley - canofworms for this entry as things may change when playing catch-up after Covid. I could alter the footnote to reflect this, if you want me to.

Thanks again for your helpful comments smiley - ok


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