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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 1

Bluebottle

Entry: Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation - A87986146
Author: Bluebottle - U43530

A Flea Market Rescue of:
Culture Clash - the effects of the West on Japanese Animation (Anime)
U199394 - Knowthing Useful


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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 2

Bluebottle

It is quite a potpourri of an entry in that it isn't just about anime films or anime cartoons but also mentioned Japanese live action films such as 'Seven Samurai', and US live action films. This was quite a wide remit being covered if I didn't want to drastically prune the original to keep it on one specific topic. I also felt I needed to add some more content to prevent it appearing blatant that the topic covered doesn't come to an abrupt halt over 15 years ago; people expect to read about more recent films too.

So the rescue attempt is an unavoidably long and broad entry.

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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 3

SashaQ - happysad

Good to see this in Peer Review - I have seen a few animé films, and enjoyed a few different manga (and manhwa) series too, but didn't know much about their origins and influences smiley - ok

One thing jumped out at me, as some of my relatives live in the Caucasus: "Western viewers often incorrectly assume that anime characters are being portrayed as Caucasian even though they are not" - what does 'Caucasian' mean in this context? European?

I haven't seen animé Metropolis, but it sounds interesting. Great to see mention of The Mysterious Cities of Gold - superb series. I liked Dungeons and Dragons, too smiley - biggrin


A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 4

Bluebottle

The US Census bureau still, apparently, uses the term 'Caucasian' rather than 'white', which is the term popular in the UK. Similarly while we would say 'Black British', in the US 'African American' is used instead. The trouble with using either 'white' or 'Caucasian' or indeed any other word is that it implies everyone worldwide interprets it in the same way to mean the same thing, which isn't the case.

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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 5

SashaQ - happysad

smiley - ok Verily doth language evolve. I see the US Census 2020 uses 'White' and 'Black or African American' amongst the other options, so that sentence is as clear as possible for now smiley - ok

Great links in the Entry - fascinating what animes have already been covered in the Edited Guide smiley - ok The concluding paragraph is spot on - San Fransokyo perfectly illustrates the introduction's 'interconnectedness of all things'. 'It's a Small World After All' indeed smiley - ok


A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 6

Bluebottle

Happy birthday! smiley - gift Been in Peer Review a year today.

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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 7

Awix

(someone asked me to comment on this in the optimistic belief I knew enough about the topic to make a useful contribution)

As noted, this is a really discursive piece which goes well beyond the focus suggested by the title. It touches on topics like Japanese attitudes to the Second World War, which is really a quite complex subject, and also wanders off to cover things like how low-budget animation operates.

There's also quite a lot of talk about live-action films (so the influence on western cinema in general is covered, not just western Animation).

I would also point out the rather inelegant nature of much of the text (e.g. the title itself is rather unwieldy).

In general it reads like a grab-bag of stuff the author wanted to write about all loosely connected to Japanese animation - for instance, the section on Grave of the Fireflies, which is a great (if gruelling) movie but not particularly influenced by or influential on western animation - rather than a cogent examination of this particular topic. Not sure how I would suggest it could be salvaged, though. Sorry...

(basically I've seen a lot of Studio Ghibli and Kurosawa movies and all the Godzilla series, but I definitely wouldn't call myself an anime expert...)


A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 8

Bluebottle

Thanks for having a read through Awix, I don't disagree with any of the points raised. This really is taking a holistic approach at covering the subject and goes beyond mentioning other subjects just to provide context.

The entry is a bit messy, but I believe that it isn't possible to remove or trim the mess without losing the spirit of the original. Also while it would not be a good thing to have entries of this sort regularly, occasionally having a left-field entry is beneficial.

The title is definitely off-putting. I'm open to suggestions on changing it without losing the original entirely. Something like the following would emphasise the 'clash' if you think it would be an improvement:

Culture Clash: Japanese Anime vs Western Animation

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A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 9

SashaQ - happysad

I like your suggested title, and it gives the opportunity to focus the Entry on Western Animation here, rather than being as broad as the original Entry was smiley - ok The wider influences of Hollywood that were included in the original could be split out into a second Entry so all of Knowthing Useful's work would be captured for the Guide.

A couple of points in the original Peer Review thread don't appear to have been addressed? F2048706?thread=617023 post 47 and post 40.


A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 10

SashaQ - happysad

Or if you want to keep the theme of the original Entry, you could change Animation back to Film.

I agree with Awix about there being some inelegant text - amending sentences such as “Anime have also strongly influenced on American film, with one of the better-known examples director James Cameron.” will make a difference, too smiley - ok


A87986146 - Culture Clash: Japanese Anime's Influence from and Inspiration on Western Animation

Post 11

Bluebottle

There isn't really a lot in this entry on film that doesn't mention anime/animation - apart from a paragraph on The Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven. The rest is directly relevant as live action films inspire anime films and vice versa, which as nothing exists in a vacuum is inevitable.

Post 40 suggested including more recent anime, which has been addressed.
It also wanted 'greater recognition of the broader scope of westernisation' – which I don't think can realistically be achieved without making this entry much longer than it is at present, so while a nice idea sadly not a practical one.
Post 47 was a minor quibble over using the word 'does/could'

Sadly if the entry was about Japanese Film it would inevitably require more details on the most popular Japanese character of all time, Godzilla. He was created in a remake of 'The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms' that since has been remade in Hollywood with various degrees of success.

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