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Post 1

Tamrhind

Entry: The Other Side of Elizabeth R. - A39366408
Author: Tamrhind - U956597

I wrote this after reading about Tudors maligning Richard III (with particular references to The Bard, of course) and having read & seen innumerable paeans to the Virgin Queen.

I noted with surprise that no Entries exist for More or Spenser. If Peers like this, I'm happy to try & fill the gaps.


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Post 2

Keith Miller yes that Keith Miller

First up: Any chance you could run this through a good spell checker? There are quite a few misspellings and typo's as it stands at the moment.

I'm not sure whether you have got across the meaning of your title either but I'm short on time at the moment and will come back to this latersmiley - smiley


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Post 3

Pinniped


Raleigh? Armada? It should be Drake of course.

This needs some careful checking, not just at the level of spelling/grammar/sentence completeness, but also at the level of what you're trying to say.

The premise at the beginning seems to be that we're too sympathetic to the Tudors, but the rest of the piece doesn't seem to develop this point. And isn't it dubious anyway? Henry VIII and Mary are usually characterised as monsters, and while Elizabeth herself generally gets a more sympathetic treatment, her failings and weaknesses are part of her legend.

You have the enthusiasm and the ability to make a big contribution to the Edited Guide, but IMO you ought to slow down a bit and concentrate on quality and accuracy.


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Post 4

Tamrhind

Yes, Drake involved and so also was Raleigh: -" In the Armada year of 1588 he was employed as Vice Admiral of Devon, looking after the coastal defenses and military levies."Wikipedia.; she actually had a number of admirals, you know?

As for not getting my focus across, I have to ask what more I can do without descending to factless, vituperative disparagement. I'm not entirely certain that Henry VIII is considered a "monster"; the founder of English Protestantism, England's multi-talented Renaissance prince in the round. Indeed, a recent TV show with Ray Winstone made much of his faulted humanity


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Post 5

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

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That should be "King Henry VIII's"

GB
smiley - galaxy


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Post 6

Pinniped


An Entry on the reign of Elizabeth I describing the Armada should mention Drake first among the sailors. Right?

If you disagree with that, you are being too clever by half.


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Post 7

Tamrhind

They're in no particular order now (who' to say Hawkins was more or less effective than Raleigh?) - why "first", for Heaven's sake???


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Post 8

Pinniped


I'm getting bored with this. However, since we prefer aspiring Edited Guide Entries to be correct, please note that the prominent commanders of the English Navy who sailed against the Spanish Armada are generally held to be:

Overall command = Lord High Admiral Howard of Effingham (unmentioned)
Vice-Admiral = Sir Fracis Drake (unmentioned, though surely the most celebrated of the lot of them)
Rear Admiral = Sir John Hawkins (mentioned)
Frobisher (unmentioned) was the other to command a squadron.

Sir Walter Raleigh (mentioned in error) did not sail. Along with Grenville, he commanded the land forces defending Devon and Cornwall and, since there was no invasion, he was not called into action.

Perhaps you're persuaded by the Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen version of Elizabethan history?


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Post 9

Tamrhind

Yes, I'm thoroughly tediummed by it all too. However, since you you wasted both our times and deigned to reply, I will do likewise.

To start at the end, the first thing I had on my mind when I wrote this was Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen. Being a history buff (rather disinterested in those who are "celebrated"), I'd had my fill of that kind of nonsensical glorification.

As for the admirals, I felt the article was, by that stage, lengthy enough and gave a only couple of examples. Since, Drake is, as you say, "celebrated", mentioning him would have been an redundancy, would it not?

This conversation is not worth any further effort on my part so I'll bring it to a closure.


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Post 10

Pinniped


Tell you what. You can have the last word at whatever length you like, since verbosity seems to float your boat.

Only remove Raleigh, there's a good chap, because his mention in this context is just plain wrong.


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Post 11

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Author Tamrhind
Last posted: 9 Aug, 2008

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Proposal: Back to Entry

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Post 12

U168592

I'd agree, Back to Entry, as unfortunately there appears to be quite a lot of conjecture surrounding the substance...


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Post 13

Pinniped


Sorry guys.
He got me annoyed, though.

And back to Entry seems appropriate.


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Post 14

U168592

Email Sent smiley - ok


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