A Conversation for h2g2 Feedback - Feature Suggestions

Entry Of The Month

Post 21

Deep Doo Doo

Would this sort of thing work?

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Entry Of The Month

Post 22

six7s

Yep!


<< I think six7s's idea is the best one>>

Thanks Trin smiley - smiley

<< dedicated A-page with all the month just gone's Entries listed on it >>

Maybe, for this to happen smoothly, maybe it would be worthwhile shifting each thread 'back to entry' at the end of the month...

60 threads per month = <1hr for a human, <1sec for a script/routine (if it was running on a dna server)





<< instructions at the bottom >>

Anticipating 'debates' (hey, this is hootoo) how about something along the lines of:

"by posting to a thread, you will be voting FOR the entry. This is NOT the place to have a moan or whatever. If you disagree with anything, please voice your concerns at the Update forum. And, if you think the EG is carp, then get involved in PR"

(or words to that effect)

This could/should keep help keep each thread on topic i.e solely votes... What am I saying? This is hootoo!!! However, topic drift on HYM was rare... so, fingers crossed

Of course, if the EotM idea catches on (and I hope it will) and topic drift becomes an issue, it would be easy to write a simple Do/While loop that only counted unique occurences (per thread) of each U-number


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Post 23

Primeval Mudd (formerly Roymondo)

That would be great as a fall back, but wouldn't a page with the month's entries listed and a 'click the button next to your favourite entry' followed by a 'why do you like it' text box be better?

I know it probably won't happen but we know that the BBC website's got the code already, surely it can't take that much of MY LICENSE FEE money to set a similar thing up on HooToo?


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Post 24

manda1111


That might work. but you might have trouble stopping the thread from going of topic, or people haveing a conversation about the entry.
maybe they should vote with out putting " I think its great" or anything cos you will get people comeing along with "Its not that good cos blar blar" and that might confuse the voting

manda smiley - peacedove


Entry Of The Month

Post 25

six7s

<< you will get people comeing along with "Its not that good cos blar blar" >>

That's what I had in mind when I suggested stating something along the lines of "posting on the thread will count as a vote FOR the entry, go to the Update forum (or Ed Feedback) if you want to debate the entry etc... Better still, get involved in PR and make sure all entries are brilliant"


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Post 26

Deep Doo Doo

Hmm, I see the point about topic drift, but that *is* hootoo! smiley - biggrin

It could make it hard to count the votes though. I wouldn't want to be the volunteer number-cruncher when the voting is declared and there's only one point in it! smiley - winkeye

Could the vote threads be locked via the new locking feature to prevent spurious comments, but made accessable *only* from a drop down box or some other input source (less coding)? Just a thought and I hear what you say Roymondo, but I really don't think we will get any of Jim Lynn's time and the budget for this until it is established as really popular and integral to the hootoo way of life. smiley - sadface


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Post 27

Deep Doo Doo

Six7's, I think you are on the right track with your suggestions. I particularly like the idea of comments (if they are to be allowed) going back to the Entry after voting ends. I think it would make really interesting reading on the truly outstanding Entries!


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Post 28

SEF

> "I'm sure I've seen polls on other parts of bbc.co.uk"

The ican dna sub-site (now actionnetwork) has/had polls/votes. The now defunct book of the future dna sub-site had some voting system too.


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Post 29

six7s

More thoughts...

How about an 'archive', set up from the outset? After HYM had been going a while, there were repeated requests for an alphabetical list of previous 'winners'. As the b*ckl*g was reasonably small, it wasn't too difficult a task. However, in comparison, once it was up-to-date, maintaining it was an absolute doddle

Hmmm... the word 'winners' rings PC alarm bells... Will EotM be a competition, with winners? Does that word imply also-rans and losers? Maybe not...

The PC implications of such words don't phase some (e.g. me) at all... but, as this is likley to be a community-wide activity, maybe someone with a talent for picking the 'right' words ought to be consulted first

I now have visions of the 'Peoples Front of Judea' striving for consensus with the 'Judeans Peoples Front', and the 'Judeans Popular Peoples Front' of course smiley - silly

Anyhoo...

Maybe there could be 'awards' with 'recipients' and 'nominees'????

And will there be a distinction between solo and collaborative entries?


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Post 30

Mu Beta

I don't think it's necessary to archive every Entry for an EoTM competition. I was thinking more in terms of a shortlist of four or five, which could be created on a convo thread. This would make the voting simpler, and mean that 'casual' EG readers wouldn't have to plough through eighty-odd (or eighty odd) Entries in order to make an informed decision.

My formulating plan would be something like this.

Week 1) Put an Entry into the Post listing a few of my favourite Entries over the last month, detailing a few forums-posted-to-entries (as proposed by Jims) and opening a thread asking for people to list their nominations below.

Week 2/3) A different Entry, listing the nominations, and opening a voting thread for each one.

Week 4) Announce the winner.

The whole thing is archived by The Post.

I would be prepared to do this if the Towers feel they can offer an 'EoTM Winner' badge. I think, without official support, the whole thing would turn into a bit of a farce.

B


Entry Of The Month

Post 31

Deep Doo Doo

Should it be that selective though B? The Ed's already have their pick of the day and ultimately decide what is or is not suitable for the Guide. I see no reason why the EoTM can't cover all the Entries that went front page for that month.

It's not a case that every researcher will have to wade through all the Entries, more just vote for one they've read in that month that they really like. I think it needs to be this way for the wider community to accept the schemes neutrality and impartiality, rather than being presented with an elite list.

Having said that, with the number of Entries in a month and the number of active researchers, the voting may need to go to a second stage if the results end up being spread too thinly. That ultimately involves more work.


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Post 32

Mu Beta

I just think that if you include EVERYTHING from a month, it's going to look like a fairly daunting list. Don't forget part of the diea is to get people interested in the EG, and if you present them with a list of four or five good and accessible Entries, that's a much better springboard.

B


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Post 33

Smij - Formerly Jimster

Surely the Month page already lists the entries under discussion?

If you're really keen, you'll know which entries you loved and will be able to recommend them. You might even wish to have the freedom to just nominate as many entries as you like. Even if a couple of people nominated every single entry, it wouldn't affect the voting because not everyone will do that and the other votes would reveal your 'winner'.

Voting is something that is possible, but not fully defined yet on other DNA sites. It's unlikely we'd request its development on h2g2 at this time because there are higher-priority projects we'd want to push for first. That's why I'd suggest it'd be best organised as a wholly-community project, but one we could help with by re-promoting an entry in some way, maybe by having a slot on the Front Page for a week that was called 'Entry of the Month' (levaing it up for a month would be a bit too static).

Jims


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Post 34

Mu Beta

I'd still like to push for a badge!

B


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Post 35

Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream

>"The Ed's already have their pick of the day" - There is no pick of the day, and hasn't been for a long time, it's just that one Entry is suitable to be allocated a picture. smiley - smiley

I've been compiling 'First Solo Entries' (A13336436) since last November, which gives recognition to Researchers for their first solo Entry into the Edited Guide. The idea of that was to encourage new Researchers to write for the Guide. If this 'Entry of the Month' gets off the ground, and on the Front Page, I'd like 'First Solo Entries' to as well, any chance of that Jims? smiley - smiley

Emmily
smiley - bluebutterfly


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Post 36

Smij - Formerly Jimster

Maybe the Post could carry the page in the meantime, Emmily? It's a really good idea!


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Post 37

Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream

<./>ThePost</.> team are on holiday at the moment, next issue due 7 September, by then I'll have over a month of first solo entries to send to smiley - thepost. smiley - smiley

Emmily
smiley - bluebutterfly


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Post 38

Smij - Formerly Jimster

Marvellous!


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Post 39

laconian

This idea get's laconian's official endorsement! smiley - winkeye

Seriously, I think its a really great idea. As is the First Entries idea. In my giddy days of newbie-ism I would have loved to have had my first entry noted like that. I continued to write for the guide, but others who might have stopped at one would no doubt be encouraged.


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Post 40

laconian

My mind says: 'now type "gets"'. So I type "get's". smiley - erm


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