A Conversation for Project: Messier Objects
xyroth Started conversation Aug 23, 2000
There seems to be a european/american split about m102. The americans did a trick tht worked for solving some of the other problem entries, and reversed the sign of one of the coordinates, which landed it right on the object in draco.
The europeans looked into the historical records and found a letter by messier replying to a corespondant, confirming tht m102 is actually a duplicate of m101. A lot of the americans insist despite this, that if you don't look at the object in draco, then you haven't seen all of the messier objects.
I would rather beleive messier, as he should know!
PS a good place to do a messier marathon is from the center for observational astronamy in the algarve, (coaa) which is linked to from the astronomy holidays page on www.astspace.demon.co.uk/
I hope that this helps.
Jimi X Posted Sep 21, 2000
So I guess you can tell I'm a Yank?
If we want to get technical, Messier didn't publish the final few objects - one of his associates did. So do they get taken off the list as well?
I will add a bit explaining the controversy for M102 however. Thanks for checking this out!
xyroth Posted Oct 4, 2000
It's not about who added them, but about what the truth is. In a letter of reply to someone, messier admitted that HE had mis identified m102, and that it was actually a duplicate of m101.
If messier himself is not to be beleived about this, then why bother putting the list on in the first place.
By the way, you may be interested in looking up the caldwell catalogue which covers most of the other objects in the same clas that messier couldn't see. ie southern hemisphere etc.
Jimi X Posted Oct 5, 2000
It'll be a long time before I'm foolish enough to tackle a list of this length! I mean, seriously, this was a whopper!!
I put in the bit about the controversy over M102. Did that satisfy your comments?
Thanks for checking this out!
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