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A2063251 - Freddy Krueger - The Film Character

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caper_plip

I think Alice Cooper had an uncredited part in Elm Street 6, where he appeared briefly as Freddy's violent pimp father. Maybe worth a mention, maybe not...

While on the topic of that film, I think Maggie was actually born Katherine Krueger, but when she was given up for adoption her name changed to Maggie Burroughs or something?

I have to watch them againsmiley - smiley


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Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide!

"And of the Update process - I've asked in the past and never got much joy on how it would work."

Where and who did you ask? I've answered multiple questions about this, in great detail, both here on hootoo as well as on the volunteer lists. I know many of the others involved in putting it all together have as well. If there's anything specific you want to know about the Update process, feel free to drop me an email -- you should have a response from me on your recent h2g2subeditors posting that you can pull the email address from.

But *please* make an effort to educate yourself on the matter before blowing off the handle like this. I especially don't appreciate the way in which I was quoted entirely out of context and with completely mishandled interpretations appended in the h2g2subeditors posting.

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A2063251 - Freddy Krueger - The Film Character

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spook

do you have freddy 6? i borrowed a taped version of TV from him last week. it's on limited availability on DVD for some reason, so it's the only one i don't own. a lot of history is revealed there. i should probably add something about his father, i forgot when writing the entry yesterday. was his father the first person he killed?


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caper_plip

I don't have it myself, but the twisted continuity in the films may have confused me a little. I *think* that the first person he kills is his foster father when he was a teenager, but that's about as useful as trying to locate Springwood on a map...smiley - headhurts

It's getting latesmiley - online2long I'm going to sleep now, and hope I don't end up with Freddy nightmares...smiley - zzzsmiley - yikessmiley - run


A2063251 - Freddy Krueger - The Film Character

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Smij - Formerly Jimster

Just a note to the above, Alice Cooper plays Freddy's adoptive, abusive dad (uncredited) in Freddy's Dead. I seem to remember Freddy returned the compliment and appeared in Alice's video for either the rerelease of 'No More Mr Nice Guy' or something else, but don't quote me on that.

smiley - tea


A few notes:

Firstly and most importantly, you need to credit Menza (U51490), the original sub.

It doesn't really matter which version you use for the children's song. In the first film, it's 'your' crucifix, in subsequent ones it's 'a'. It's interesting that the rhyme suggests cricifixes might stop Freddy, yet I don't remember anyone actually trying that one.

"Freddy Krueger is a character created by Wes Craven for the A Nightmare on Elm Street films."

It's more accurate to say: "Freddy Krueger is a character created by writer/director Wes Craven for the horror film A Nightmare on Elm Street, which subsequently led to a whole series of other Nightmare adventures."

This then incorporates more than just the Elm Street movies (see later).

"he wears a modified glove with knives for fingers." It's not actually a modified glove, it's a gardening glove - its blades are used for trimming bushes. As Krueger was a caretaker, it makes sense that he would have had such an implement (though they'r enot at all common in the UK so it's understandable you might not recognise that).

History
"confussion, " should be "confusion; "

First bullet: "uncertainw hether" should be "uncertain whether"

Third bullet: It was indeed 100 maniacs, not criminals.

Fourth bullet: "was" not "is"

Seventh bullet: should be "his daughter was sent" as the verb as a different subject in the previous clause.

Last bullet: "They went to a factory where Freddy was, and burnt him alive." - I'm not sure it was a factory (see below). Might be better to just say "As a mob, they captured Freddy and burned him alive. The parents vowed never to tell their children what they had done."

The Rules
"Freddy can only return to the children of his murderers, people brought in to the dream world by someone he can visit, or family."

As already noted, bit confused here. Try: "Freddy can initially only jump into the dreams of the children of his murderers, though later, when his victims start bringing in help, he finds he can kill anyone else brought in to the dream world. It seems he also has the ability to visit members of his own family."

"Freddy can never be ultimately defeated. You may win a battle, but he'll get you in the end." Rather than 'he'll get you in the end', how about 'he'll always find a way to return'? He never got Nancy, did he?

I think the next paragraph gives too much information too soon. If you just mention "As with the rules in any horror series, they are amended or broken as befitting the needs of each chapter" then that covers all bases.

The Movies
"There have so far been 8 Freddy movies " That should be "eight", though you should also mention "though with the arrival of Freddy Vs Jason it looks like two horror franchises may live on in a combined form".

You should mention in the titles their original release year - for example A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984).

There are a a few spelling mistakes in this section. One per film, by the looks of things. Do a search and replace for "relaeased", "apearing ", "freddy " (two instances), "10 " (should be "ten"), "Ressurected ", "Holloween ", "scarying " and "ressurect".

The summary for New Nightmare shows why you really need a small cast list for each movie as it's a little confusing trying to work back to who Nancy is and why she's so important. "Real life now" doesn't really cover what is happening in this one. Try this: "This film really plays with perceptions of reality. It's not a documentary, but it casts some of the actors from the first Nightmare film as 'themselves'. The characters - which include both Robert Englund, Heather Langenkamp (who played Nancy in films one and three) and director Wes Craven - are working on a new movie but are being terrorised by dreams of Freddy."

Other Appearances
"the Simpsons" should be linked to the entry on the show.

Freddy on TV

Just to add that the episodes generally looked at the horrific events surrounding the Elm Street community. The first episode however, 'No More Mr Nice Guy', told Freddy's own tale, and revealed that Freddy had been released after the arrest of his original murders because he had not been read his rights at the time he was initially arrested.

You're really not going to like this. All the episode titles need to be placed within single inverted commas.

Why Do people Like Freddy?
Capitalise 'People'. The second sentence in the first para suffers a little from repetition of 'Freddy'. Suggest alternating the name with "the character". Might also make sense to reference Scream here, Wes Craven's other franchise, which explains the appeal of horror movies such as Nightmare on Elm Street and plays with 'the rules' to great effect.

smiley - tea

One final thought. I don't have the films to hand and can't find a confirmation of this. As I said at the start of this posting, I was under the impression that Freddy was the school caretaker, or janitor for soemwhere that brought him into contact with the children and tenagers of Springfield. His lair, as seen in all the movies, ws the boiler room of the establishment. Have I remembered this wrong? Can anyone confirm this?


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spook

thanks for the feedback Jimster!

i'll update the entry tonight.

Freddy actually worked at a power plant, and the people track him down to the power plant and burnt him their alive. this is shown in the first episode of Freddy's Nightmares.

i won't find doing the '' for the episode titles too hard. find and replace should do it for me pretty quickly.

also, i'm sure you are wrong about the glove. he wasn't a gardner, but that's not the main reason why. at the start of the first nightmare on elm street, at the very start, it shows you him making the glove and attatching the blades to it.

spook smiley - orangefish


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Smij - Formerly Jimster

Gotcha. The thing is, it's a modified gardener's glove, regardless of the occupation of the user smiley - smiley


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spook

it may be a modified gardening glove, but i don't think it had an blades on it before hand. i will check the start of the first movie though.

spook smiley - orangefish


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spook

also, freddy kills Nancy in number 3!smiley - smiley


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Smij - Formerly Jimster



He kills Nancy?! I'd forgotten that!

smiley - wah

(and it doesn't matter if he's sitting there making the glove at the start, that's what a bladed glove actually is - you can see them in loads of movies. You use it to 'stroke' the leaves on bushes so they all end up nice and even)


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The Apprentice

Jimster is right about the glove. I can't recall where it was in the movie or series, but the glove didn't need much modification as I recall. Aren't gloves like that used for pruning?

Also, I have this extremely strong feeling that Freddy was a caretaker, too. I believe that he originally worked in the basement of a school - but his ultimate demise may not have been in the same location. I'll check on that...

The Apprentice
smiley - scientist


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spook

ok i've done some updating. still got to add actor info for movies though.

i haven't added anything about freddy's proffession yet as i'm not sure about that, although i do know he was killed at a power plant.

i'm not gonna add anything about the scream rules as they don't apply to freddy movies, since there isn't that much sex, apart fromt eh coule from the first movie, and there isn't anythin to do with drugs or anything. freddy doesn't follow those rules. the friday 13th movies are the ones those rules really work for.

also i have to add links to places.

spook smiley - orangefish


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Smij - Formerly Jimster

Er, there's a major drugs subplot in either 4 or 5 where a character is killed in her dream with injections from Freddy's fingers. The 'rules' that apply here are more to do with 'sequelitis', in the way Randy in Scream 2 describes the rules of sequels - which definitely DO apply here smiley - smiley

Any regrets on picking this one to update yet, spook?

smiley - winkeye


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spook

no regrets, i picked an entry i had some knowledge on and could guarantee writing a much improved entry of.

yes there is a very small drugs plot in number 4, however, that is more to do with sterois then the regular drugs drugs.

rules of a sequal apply to all horror movies. higher body count. more ingenious methods of murder. however, the original 3 rules only apply irregularly in the Freddy movies. there are only 1 or 2 occasions in all containing sex, only 1 containig drugs, and just a couple of 'i'll be right there's.

spook smiley - orangefish


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spook

ok i've added the names of the actors with who they played, the writer of each movie, adn teh director of each movie.

spook


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Smij - Formerly Jimster

Just checked via that official website. It's the character Taryn White in Dream Warriors (no. 3). She's identified as a heroin user and Freddy kills her by injecting her and drawing out all her blood.

Have you seen Bluebottle's Halloween entries, by the way. Wow!


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spook

1 drug usage out of 7 films. i don't see what adding the scream rules would add the the entry anyway, and in peer review there's an entry on how to survive a orror movie, and once that's edited this entry can just link to that for people to find out more general rules of horror movies.

is there anything else i need to add, apart from links, as i want to to add links to different entries and other sites when everything else is finished.

spook smiley - orangefish


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caper_plip

I love reading the coroner's reports on that sitesmiley - laugh

'Decomposed?: Oh yeah.'


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Smij - Formerly Jimster

Okay, spook, I'll make it easy for you.

'Freddy's creator, Wes Craven, went on to create another successful franchise, Scream, which took a post-modern approach in playing with the rules of horror', many of which were established or reaffirmed by the Nightmare films.'

Just pop that into the section on why Freddy's popular and you're done with that line of discussion smiley - smiley


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caper_plip

smiley - biggrinsmiley - laugh


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