A Conversation for Portchester Castle, Hampshire, England, UK.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 23, 2006
Hmm. That looks very scrappy. You should have single sentences, such as "King John visited." You need to tell a story, rather than just recording a list - that's what makes a good guide entry.
"In Roman Times the fort formed part of the ... it was visited in ... by ...".
"When the Romans withdrew England and the island fell victim to invasions of Angles, Saxons and Jutes from Northern Europe, the castle..."
You should end up with a set of paragraphs rather than one liners. It's worth leaving some of that history section out, if you can't make it fit.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 23, 2006
Hi Gnomon
Try this version comments please.....
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bunnyfrog will never die Posted Aug 23, 2006
This reads to me very dry. Do not get me wrong, is extremly informative, but there is not a obvious flow to the information. This may just be your style of course, but I found my eyes drifting and then bumping up on the sudden short unattached sentences.
Is well researched though, I never do proper research
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 23, 2006
Hi bunnyfrog
I am open to ideas so if you have any..............
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 23, 2006
Hi bob!
I apologise that in my last posting I said you should have short sentences when I meant to say you should not have short sentences.
Your latest re-working is a lot better than it was. I think it would benefit now from splitting up the History section by putting in subheaders. I suggest you split it into three main periods, which I'm sure you can come up with yourself.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 23, 2006
H1 Gnomon
I have had a try your views would be welcome...
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Leo Posted Aug 23, 2006
While I'm here, I wanted to mention that you don't talk about it today. What does it function as now? a tourist attraction?
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 24, 2006
Hi again
Had another go any better now?.......
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
It's looking better all the time!
I'll give it a detailed going through for typos and formatting, if you don't mind.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 24, 2006
Hi
You are very welcome.. thanks..
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
Here's a few:
Grammar:
"Originally a square enclosure with each corner having a bastion." -- this is not a proper sentence, as it has no verb. I suggest you rewrite it as:
"It was originally a square enclosure with each corner having a bastion."
"Almost all of the walls intact" -- another fragment. Change it to "Almost all of the walls are intact"
the wall height is 6 meters and 3.2 meters thick -- this sounds as if the height is 3.2m thick. Reword it as:
"the walls are 6m high and 3.2m thick"
The castle if viewed from the air it will not look square but it is -- this is very clumsy. Try:
The castle is in fact square, although it does not look it when viewed from the air."
and replacement roof --> and a replacement roof
The priory that was built before the castle passed into Royal hands, was -- the use of "that" means that there were two Priories. Change it to "which" as follows:
The priory, which was built before the castle passed into Royal hands, was
there was a kitchen and refectory a cloister sleeping, quarters and storage buildings-->
there were a kitchen and refectory, a cloister, sleeping quarters and storage buildings
h2g2 Style:
and, 1 corner bastion --> and one corner bastion (numbers 1 - 10 should be spelled out as words)
2 bastions --> two bastions
in the period AD 285, and 290 --> in the period 285 - 290 AD
meters --> metres (use British English spelling)
Punctuation and Typos:
built to last -- add a full stop
Walls were built of Flint --> Walls were built of flint
and enclosed Area 36,489 sq meters -->
and enclosed an area of 36,489 sq metres (note four separate changes)
Some surveys of the site within the walls, show -- remove the comma
The Castle is set on a north south axis it is -- put a dash after axis:
The Castle is set on a north south axis - it is
the Roman Watergate --> the Roman watergate
the min gate --> the main gate
chapel (Now St Mary’s --> chapel (now St Mary’s
there are still some traces, the toilets --> there are still some traces: the toilets
That's enough for the moment.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
near the Watergate --> near the watergate
the Augustinian canons. (who wore -- remove the full stop
1st century A.D --> 1st Century AD
the Isle of Wight, Kent Surrey Sussex and Hampshire-->
the Isle of Wight, Kent, Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire
"It is not recorded if the grove was a pagan site, as it was often the case that Christians adopted the old pagan sites by use, as St Paul did in this case." -- I think you should leave this sentence out, as it is confused.
the saints visit --> the saint's visit
"In the fifth century When the Romans withdrew England the Anglo-Saxon’s occupied the fort. The island fell victim to invasions of Angles, Saxons and Jutes from Northern Europe, the castle became a part of the defensive system of Wessex. " -- this is a bit confusing, as well as being full of typos. It talks about the Anglo-Saxons and in the next sentences goes back to the time when they were two separate groups, the Angles and the Saxons. I think it would be better as:
In the 5th Century, when the Romans withdrew from England, the Anglo-Saxons occupied the fort, making it part of the defensive system of Wessex.
And there is some evidence that -- it's not considered good writing to start a sentence with "and", although it is perfectly acceptable in spoken speech.
-->
There is some evidence, too, that
there is a poem (in Welsh) the verse that concerns Arthur and Portchester is as follows
-->
there is a poem (in Welsh), with one verse which appears concerns Arthur and Portchester, as follows
Here's how to format the poem:
In 'Llongborth' I saw Arthur's
Brave men who cut with steel,
The Emperor, ruler in toil of battle.
or even,
In 'Llongborth' I saw Arthur's
Brave men who cut with steel,
The Emperor, ruler in toil of battle.
The latter puts it in italics.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
Correcting my own correction:
there is a poem (in Welsh) the verse that concerns Arthur and Portchester is as follows
-->
there is a poem (in Welsh), with one verse that concerns Arthur and Portchester, as follows
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 24, 2006
Hi Gnomon,
Magic all sorted please comment...
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
It definitely hasn't changed for me. Did you remember to click the Update button?
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Aug 24, 2006
Oh, sorry. Yes there are some changes - the poem is now formatted correctly. But most of the changes I suggested have not been done.
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 24, 2006
oops did it in 2 parts pressed the button b****r
I will do it again.
bs
A13776771 - Portchester Castle
bobstafford Posted Aug 24, 2006
Hi
Try again it should be all dine as suggested.... thanks...
bs
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