A Conversation for Spanish Pronunciation

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Researcher 188007

Call me a perfectionist, but I'd still like to make some changes before this goes into the guide. Can I still do this?


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Post 2

Ashley



I'm editing this now - so let me know what you would like to change smiley - smiley


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Researcher 188007

Could you wait till after I get back from work at about 6.00 (five hours)? I should have time to finish it by then.


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Ashley


What I will do is check here on Tuesday morning.

How's that? smiley - smiley

smiley - ok


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Researcher 188007

That's fine by me smiley - ok This is my first entry so I'm quite excited...

Cheers Ashley smiley - smiley


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Ashley


Pleasure's all mine smiley - biggrin


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Post 7

Researcher 188007

OK, I'm completely happy with it now smiley - smiley I've made quite a lot of changes. It's just occurred to me that I should have copied and pasted your version over before changing anything. I may have made more work for you - sorry! Still, I'll know for next time. One particular thing - I've added some indentations to column five, which if poss I'd like kept there.

Oh, by the way, are you coming to the Reading meet the week after next?

Cheers,
Jack


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Ashley



Hey Jack,

I'm back after a long weekend smiley - smiley

Firstly, you can't make changes to this entry (A737723) as it is a copy of your original entry.

Could you list the changes you made in this conversation thread and I will incorporate them into the entry.

Many thanks

Ashley. smiley - ok

Unfortunately I won't be going to the meet in Reading as I'll be in sunny Spain... maybe we shall meet at the summer meet?


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Researcher 188007

Er, confused! smiley - erm

I made the changes to the original entry (A721342), and there are a lot of them. Maybe it would be easier if you copied that over to the new entry, or do you have to put each code element on a separate line again? I could do that if you like.

Jack


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Post 10

Ashley



I think I need to explain...

When we accept an entry for inclusion into the Edityed Guide, we make a copy, so that there is always your original version to refer to should you want to.

We make amendments to the copy so that it meets in-house Guidelines, which on an entry like this are not that evident smiley - biggrin


If you could list the changes here, I will then include them in the copy. smiley - smiley


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Post 11

Researcher 188007

Aha, now I get you. I'll give you a full list this evening.

Hope you enjoyed España!


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Post 12

Researcher 188007

OK here goes. As I said, there's a lot but well, some of it's copying and pasting.

Para 2: learnand > learn and smiley - winkeye
Join P2 & P3
P3: Spanish Academy > Royal Spanish Academy

*Variations in Spanish*
P1: for details... > for details see the final section.

*Understanding this Entry*
P6: Column Four has... > Column Four contains an example Spanish word. Most of these will be familiar, but should not be pronounced as in English.

*Pure Vowels* > *Vowels*
P1 > Spanish has the same five vowels as English. However, while in English, these can be pronounced a number of ways, Spanish vowels have only one vowel sound each. These vowels are about the same length as English short vowels, or slightly longer when stressed, and should all be pronounced distinctly.
P2-P6 > after table under new heading *Vowel Pairs*

TABLE
Words in column 4: año > amigo; esto > mesa; fino > hijo; como > otro; luna > uno.
Swap rows 3 & 4 and 6 & 7, put the letter in column one in row 3 and 6 respectively (so the second one is blank, if you get me)
Add new row: blank; blank; guide; guerra; in gue and gui, the u is silent. (Insert footnote 2 here)

*Vowel Pairs*
P1: A spelling convention dictates that > With very few exceptions,

*Diphthongs*
TABLE
Col 4 words: rayo > hay; caucho > gaucho; deuda > neutral

*Consonants*
P1> There are 22 consonant letters in the Spanish alphabet. Two of these appear only in non-Spanish words: k, pronounced like Spanish 'c', and w, usually pronouced like Spanish 'v'. As in English, q only occurs before u, and is dealt with in the Combinations section below.
P2: Delete

TABLE
Col 4 words: baño > bonanza; cabo (bh)> pueblo; cabo (c) > cortina; dama > dos; la dama > rodeo; hijo > hasta; jefe > junta; calde > loco; como > mesa; rana > rico; peso > salsa; vano > vista; huevo > avocado.
Swap the rows for letters b, c, d, r, s and v, leaving the 2nd row in column 1 blank. Change all instances of 'elsewhere' to 'generally'.
Bold 'th' in 'other'

*Combinations*
TABLE
Delete rows 3 & 4 (silent u now covered in Vowels table)
Unbold 'ly'; bold 'lli' in 'million'. Change queso > tequila smiley - smiley

*Latin American Spanish*
Put_after_Stress section (which is OK)

TABLE
Debold w and y in Col 2. Col 1 gw > gu (!)
Add extra row: y; zh; vision; in Argentina and some other regions


And that's it! I've really learnt my lesson about when to put entries into PR now, especially when they contain tables smiley - tongueout

Muchas muchas gracias amigo,
I'll buy you a pint at the summer meet,
Jack



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Post 13

Pan, the piper at the gates of dawn

A quick comment: In your table dictating the silent u (e.g. Guerra): it changes the pronunciation of the g from an aspirant to a hard g. This may not be readily apparent for one who has not studied the language.

Otherwise, nice job! I hadn't realized the 'ch' and 'll' were removed from the alphabet.


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Post 14

Pan, the piper at the gates of dawn

Or rather it's covered later. It may be a stylistic thing, but it could be confusing.


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