A Conversation for Medication for Depression
herbal tips and "vitamins"
Alfredo Started conversation Nov 4, 2002
I've read the whole article and I think I'll give later on more reactions than this (former social worker of war victims with PTSD=Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). It's a very readable article and makes a lot of sense (my English isn't too well).
Personally I suffer from severe depressions almost from early childhood, but in my case it is merely "under my skin". I don't trace it that easily and many, mány years I didn't recognize it as "depression".
Besides my medication (Tryptizol) I started using Hypericum Performatum = St. Johns Wort and even on mé, it has a good effect, because it triggers the most "obstinate" classical symptom of depression: bad sleeping in all thinkable manners.But I use a lot.
However; side effects are;
- it pushes the regular anti-depressiva out of your/mine blood.
In my case it has been proven, that because of this side effect, I only have ten percent of Tryptizol in My blood in relation to what there should have been, according to my medication.
Still, this all over effect is better, than without St. Johns Wort.
(But the interaction is very intensive).
Antoher side effect is, that it makes anybody's skin sensitive for sunlight and in my case I have some sunfactor on my face at the day.
(people say sometimes;"hey, your looking good, nice brown skin.You surely are having a good life" and I let them in this ironic imagination. Even in depression, there's a lot to laugh about...)
Another winner in my case is the Herb ELEUTHEROCOCCUS or Siberian Ginseng (which is totally different than all the other Ginsengs).
It is an adaptogen= it adapts your body and mind in stressfull situations. It has a normalising effect on mind and body. I can really feel the difference in the day and in the night. (Maybe this herb might be problematic for woman. I didn't need to remember.I'm sorry...)
And out of the world of "vitamins" I benefit from
- the Amino Acid L-Tryptophaan, which is allowed in The Netherlands and not in the USA. I don't know about the UK.
But Tryptophaan is expensive.
- Melatonine doesn't do me any good and is forbidden in Holland, but allowed in the USA.I don't know about the UK.It's mainly used against jet lags. Our body makes melatonine itself.
-NAD (or also NADH)= Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide. It is a so called "coenzyme" of vitamine B3, which means it works in combination of Vit. B3 in our body.
The lozenges only work if you melt them in your mouth, because NAD doesn't "survive" our stomac to do its work. But véry expensive.
And last but not least; I got because of extreem stress a fluctuating blood sugar level. We all know that severe depression really sucks.
But also in this case I realised it after mány, many years.
In my case stress has exactly the same effect on my blood sugar level as eating white bread.
What really helps me - besides not eating white sugar and other "cultivated" food; I start the day with a large amount of oat meal and only on this diet I walked half the Pyrenees on my own. An absolute miracle!! Unbelievable. I did it in 1995. Wonderfull experience.
Herbs and vitamins that became real friends;
Polygonum; very cheap and very effective. It's a herb and you can easily buy it. It stabilizes the sugar level.I don't make tea of it, I just eat it raw with some orange juice.(no difference with herbs in capsules; that's also raw)
And the Amino-acid L-Taurine became an inseparable friend: It gives my body and mind real and effective energy and it's not so expensive.
It's also for sale without capsules and therefore cheaper.
I thought, I realy had to tell you all my personal experiences with herbs and "vitamins" , beside my daily medication. I'm not playing doctor, I'm trying to be a usefull compagnon.
Herbs and Vitamins take me some further away from the everlasting abyss, which is always somewhere around.
Keep going, all of you and dón't give up!!
(My doctor said these days, "I don't understand how you can survive all of this. "Well", I said, "maybe I survive purely out of protest.
I'll stick here on this earth as long as I can!".
We are worth it, are'nt we?!
We surely do; ALL of us.I mean ALL, inculding YOU that reads this!
My greatings from Amsterdam, Alfredo
herbal tips and "vitamins"
Alfredo Posted Nov 4, 2002
I was not totally correct about the NAD (coenzym 1,of vit B3). It is very stable and does survive our stomachacid.
It's the variant of NAD - NADH - which doesn't survive stomachacid.
There are more "moodimproving" foodsupplements and herbs in relation to depressions, stress and sleeplesness and in very general terms I could tell you more about it from my own experience.
Do realize that there are all kinds of depressions, as you know, with very different causes,like hormonal, trauma's, circumstancial, etc.
If your question "fits" in my situation we probably could change some information.
Keep flying high!..
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