A Conversation for 'The Archers' - The Radio 'Soap'

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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Susan Fry? It's Freda Fry!


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

And Shula Hebden Lloyd is the mother of Daniel - Jamie is the son of Sid and Cathy Perks!


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

David and Ruth's daughter is called Phillipa, shortened to "Pip" - not Pippa.


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

The Nightingale Farm entry is weeks out of date, perhaps months... Roy and Haley haven't "just announced their engagement" - the wedding and honeymoon are becoming a distant memory...


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Talking of weddings, the Home Farm entry strongly suggests that Debbie is merely living with Simon Gerrard, yet acknowledges the fact that they are married by giving her his surname...


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

The editor has repeatedly allowed s-apostrophe (Godmothers', Archers', Tommys' etc.) to be used in place of apostrophe-s (Godmother's, Archer's, Tommy's etc.)


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Not necessarily an error, but I always thought "Titkum" was spelled "Titcombe"... There's no way to prove this one way or the other without script access, though, since non-speaking characters rarely feature in the Radio Times credits... smiley - biggrin


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You can call me TC

Not having listened to it regularly for over 20 years, I was very surprised not to find Walter Gabriel in the "deceased" list - I mean, he was over 80 back then ... he's not still around, is he?


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

So many have died over the years, notably including Walter and Nelson Gabriel, Tom and Pru Forrest, Grace Archer, Jethro Larkin (Killed by David Archer with a chainsaw! He dropped half a tree on him...), Freddy Danby, Martha Woodford et. al. that I couldn't be bothered listing them all... That section should read "Recently deceased"...


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Actually, come to think about it, this article could have incorporated much of the info in "The Archers" thread from the recent "What is the best Soap Opera" project. It's a shame the opportunity was missed before publishing it on the Front Page.


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Just zis Guy, you know? † Cyclist [A690572] :: At the 51st centile of ursine intelligence

Also much of the above info was mentioned in Peer Review, if I remember correctly. I wonder what happened? Did an old version get published by mistake?


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

There are many other points...

For instance,
Brookfield Cottage: "...their offspring Pippa and Josh, both toddlers" - apart from getting Pip's name wrong, it says she's a toddler. She must be very advanced for her age then, as she started primary school over two years ago.

Brookfield Farm: "...parents of Shula, David and Kenton Archer - who lives abroad - and Elizabeth Pargetter" - why is Elizabeth's married name used, but not Shula's?

Home Farm: "...The Aldridges' other daughter, Kate" - what is meant by "other" in this paragraph? There are three of them, and this is the middle one. Technically, she is the Aldridge's eldest daughter, as Debbie isn't Brian's child. At best, it's clumsily phrased.

Ambridge Hall: "Grand house in the centre of the village..." - ...if you consider the other side of Home Farm to be the "center of the village"! Ref. the map "Ambridge and its environs", from "The Archers - the first Thirty Years". It's so far from the village it doesn't even appear on the BBC's website map.

Bridge Farm: "Bert Fry will also be found at Bridge Farm, where the aged sage is employed as a farm hand." - nope, Bert works as a farm hand for Brookfield Farm.

Hey, so I'm pedantic! You knew that already... smiley - biggrin


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Just zis Guy, you know? † Cyclist [A690572] :: At the 51st centile of ursine intelligence

Nothing wrong with being pedantic. Since these facts are so easy to check, there's not much excuse for anyone interested enough to write an Entry to look them up. Sorry, Zarniroop, but I think you've skimped on your research. And yes, I know that's why Ford thought the name "Ford Prefect" would be nicely inconspicuous. And anyway, isn't it spelt "Zarniwoop?"


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Zarniroop (er.... I'll think of something amusing to put here soon!)

Thanx Peet,

I did make a few mistakes when I originally wrote the entry which was about xmas time and it was in peer review for a few weeks, then it got recommended and I didn't here anymore until I spotted the pending tag on it last week I then got in touch with the sub to express my concern about dewtail being out dated but didn't hear back from them.
Meanwhile I've got an article about Fairtrading which has been pending for a longer period, tho I am doing some final research on that>
JZG,
Zarniwoop was the editor of the guide and he wanted to meet/be the guy who ruled the universe, I am Zarniroop, any similarities are accidental and purely unintentional!

Z.


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Zarniroop, it's not entirely your fault. The editor is supposed to be responsible for checking mundane things like spelling and punctuation, as well as spotting things which will be out-of-date by the time the article is published. From what I can see from their home page, your editor hasn't been on the Guide for at least two months, so things which were correct last time he/she saw the article may have become redundant, or just plain wrong, in the time it's taken to reach the front page.

The problem with this sort of article is that, while it's good to have lots of historical info on the series, referring to anything "current" will just make the article look very dated very fast. If it was feasable for the author to easily update "Edited" articles, this wouldn't be so much of a problem, but sadly that's never been the case, and seems even less likely since the appearance of the BBC on the scene.


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Ashley



Thanks everyone smiley - smiley


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Thank you, Ashley - that's a huge improvement. smiley - ok Although you're still referring to Pip (7 or 8 years old now - I lost track) as a "toddler" in the "Brookfield Cottage" entry...

A suggestion... I don't know if you have a mechanism to gave multiple references to a single footnote, but it would be nice to have "June 2001" as a footnote, and link all occurences of the word "currently" to it. You'd probably have to insert the footnote as "real" HTML... smiley - biggrin

Oh, and one I missed earlier - under "Grange Farm" the name should be "Sterling", not "Stirling". (I had to check that one on the Archers website - the Radio Times has stopped printing the characters' surnames in the weekly credits!)


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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Oh, and you let "Tommys' birthday" slip through in the Bridge Farm paragraph... smiley - biggrin


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Just zis Guy, you know? † Cyclist [A690572] :: At the 51st centile of ursine intelligence

Thanks for clearing that up, I am of course gratified that the two names are sufficiently similar to cause confusion - always the best policy, in my experience smiley - smiley


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Zarniroop (er.... I'll think of something amusing to put here soon!)

Thanx everyone!

There are still a few problems with thisd being a snapshot of the archers circa early 2001.

One question -
Where were you lot when it was going thru peer review?

For those that are interested the original and conversations are at http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A507539

Z.


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