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I Hate New Computers
Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Started conversation Jul 23, 2014
Dear Friends,
My beloved computer bit the dust. RIP.
I have a shiny new one, with Windows 8.2. Oh, how I hate it.
I'm still learning how to fight my way through it. I haven't figured all the buttons out yet, or how to keep it from going back to tiny print every time it refreshes the screen.
So if I'm slow in answering for a while, please forgive.
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cactuscafe Posted Jul 23, 2014
Eeek! Windows 8.2! Very up to the minute. RIP old computer. Just think of the works of genius that you have created on it! You could write an epitaph for it.
C has windows 8 on his laptop, but our tech guy somehow put in a recognisable start button and menu as well, so we know where we are.
I like the funky brighly coloured windows 8 start screen, though. It reminds me of being in a flickering metropolitan environment, looking for pizza and someone to trust. Oh no, wait, that's my life. haha. I can never get out of it though. The start screen, not my life. It says click on the corners but I click on the corners and nothing happens.
Good luck! ! I'm still on windows 7, I'm sooooo vintage.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Jul 23, 2014
So far, I cannot find things once I've lost them. And it doesn't like h2g2 at all - when I try to open a thread, it's like making an appointment. It takes several minutes, and then several minutes to open the Reply window, then a few more to post.
At this rate, I may start communicating by pigeon post.
Anyway, while attractive, the start screen is unhelpful, as it contains almost nothing I actually desire to visit. But I'll get the hang of it sooner or later, I guess. I refuse to believe this is because I'm thick. I mean, I am, but this is just a very badly designed system. It is not only NOT intuitive, it is counterintuitive. And the names for things are insane...charms, indeed...I fail to be charmed...
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Icy North Posted Jul 23, 2014
I love the smell of progress in the morning...
Give it 3 weeks: you'll never believe you got by on something as primitive as Windows 7
In the corporate world, we never use the current OS versions. We're still patching Win 2003 for some systems. I bet some here know of older ones in use, too.
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Bald Bloke Posted Jul 23, 2014
As you say Some will still be on Win 2K etc
Just think years ago we would look forward to an update as it brought new and useful features, but since around 2K / XP upgrades have been something to dread (for Windows users)
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ITIWBS Posted Jul 23, 2014
My oldest laptop hasn't hard disk space enough to accommodate all of the updates for the Windows XP program that came preinstalled on it.
The one I'm using currently hasn't adequate CPU capacity to accept Windows 8.
If I were shopping for a new computer at the moment, I'd probably go with an IBM PC with preinstalled Linux.
Meanwhile, the move from 180 GB machines to the 8 GB machines common in the current releases is so ething of a Western answer to China's 'Great Firewall', an effort to compensate for an inadequate internet physical plant in either case, if by different means.
Sometimes top planners on issues like this can be utterly shameless.
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Pierre de la Mer ~ sometimes slightly worried but never panicking ~ Posted Jul 24, 2014
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Pastey Posted Jul 24, 2014
Hah!
Windows 8 is really good, it just takes a little getting used to. Any major change in an operating system takes a little getting used to.
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Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U. Posted Jul 24, 2014
F1926355?thread=5128083
join the club
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Jul 24, 2014
It is, indeed, a steep learning curve. And we're still having techinsl issues.
So thanks to Mags, who will be editing your Post this week.
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KB Posted Jul 24, 2014
"Windows 8 is really good, it just takes a little getting used to. Any major change in an operating system takes a little getting used to."
That's true. But it's also true that sometimes there are changes for the worse. Change does not necessarily equal improvement. When people object to a particular change, it doesn't necessarily mean they are dinosaurs who can't cope with change.
I get a bit annoyed by this sometimes, because it is an easy, lazy way of waving away legitimate criticism. "Oh, they're just set in their ways. They'll learn to like it."
We've had our current OS at work for over two years now, and explaining certain things about it to people *still* eats up a lot of my time. This suggests to me that it is less intuitive, and less usable, than the previous one. In short, it isn't as good.
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Pastey Posted Jul 24, 2014
Change isn't always improvement, I fully agree with that.
But Windows 8 is a lot better than the previous versions.
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SashaQ - happysad Posted Jul 24, 2014
What's the definition of 'better' in this context?
Says SashaQ who also dreads being forced to use Windows 8 at some point but currently uses the dreaded Vista very happily (once I had configured it to my satisfaction).
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Pastey Posted Jul 24, 2014
For me, it's more intuitive. A lot of people say it's not, because they're used to XP.
But think about that, if you're used to XP, then you're going to be constantly trying to use something in the same way as that. For people coming new to computers (which is pretty much limiting it to kids) then Win8 is, I feel, more intuitive.
For me to use it, I've put all the programmes I frequently use onto the task bar, and all those plus the ones I regularly use onto the Start Screen. Everything else is in the "Apps" screen (stupid name apps).
Once you get used to the idea that the start screen is just a full screen version of the start menu, the whole thing make *much* more sense. Add that for a lot of the stuff on there, it's now bigger icons and easier to find, and some of them even update real-time with stuff off the net.
Under the bonnet, it's a lot more secure and stable. There's lots of little things that just work as you'd expect them to.
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Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U. Posted Jul 24, 2014
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/186745-microsoft-will-unify-windows-windows-phone-and-xbox-into-one-converged-operating-system
just when you thought it ok to out in the open as they sayor not ??? is it "dark" ?
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SashaQ - happysad Posted Jul 24, 2014
Thanks Pastey That makes sense, especially about under the bonnet stability.
So Win8 is more like the start screen of my tablet, which is OK (especially as it is touch screen so large icons are easier to use), although I like the way my current computer is, with small icons so I can fit the ones I want all on to one screen, plus the menu button for everything else - I sit too far away from the screen to want it to be touchscreen.
I think the thing I dread most from my first impressions of Win8 is that it seems to be for people who have a 'graphical mind' (for want of a better phrase) whereas I generally have a text mind - I am having to use computers with Windows 7 more these days, and find it's no use them showing me a picture of Document Q next to a picture of Document X so that I can choose which one I want, because I can't tell the difference between pictures of some black text on a white background, whereas I do know which is Q and which is X...
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Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U. Posted Jul 24, 2014
sorry for using Dmitri's thread for a separate issue of sorts:-
but is it true ?(from what I've heard - gossip)that more and more companies etc are going over to Linux, because of the constant changing of microsofts windows OP systems ?
as in cost - nil and all the "hiccups" that windows OP's has
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KB Posted Jul 24, 2014
"For me, it's more intuitive. A lot of people say it's not"
But you have to remember that you are a bit of a techie, Pastey. What is intuitive for you is not necessarily intuitive to the user.
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Pierre de la Mer ~ sometimes slightly worried but never panicking ~ Posted Jul 25, 2014
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Bluebottle Posted Jul 25, 2014
I remember when I upgraded from DOS to Windows 3.0. It's been downhill ever since.
Life was so much easier when all you had to do was press J once, then "" and hit enter and wonder off for 15 minutes while you wait for the tape...
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- 2: cactuscafe (Jul 23, 2014)
- 3: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Jul 23, 2014)
- 4: Icy North (Jul 23, 2014)
- 5: Bald Bloke (Jul 23, 2014)
- 6: ITIWBS (Jul 23, 2014)
- 7: Pierre de la Mer ~ sometimes slightly worried but never panicking ~ (Jul 24, 2014)
- 8: Pastey (Jul 24, 2014)
- 9: Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U. (Jul 24, 2014)
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