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Gnomon - time to move on Started conversation Sep 10, 2015
Entry: Galadriel, the Elf-Lady of Lorien - PR Version - A87859309
Author: Gnomon - U151503
This one was in Peer Review before, but it didn't get any comments, so I'm not going to link to the previous Peer Review conversation.
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Bluebottle Posted Sep 10, 2015
I'll have a proper read-through later, but is it worth mentioning that she also appears in the 1978 animated film?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 10, 2015
Good point, BB. I could change the section "Galadriel in Peter Jackson's Movies" to "Galadriel in the Movies" and put a mention of Bakshi's work.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 10, 2015
I've done that, and pointed out the curious incident of the silver circlet.
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Tavaron da Quirm - Arts Editor Posted Sep 17, 2015
This reads like a good summary. I could not remember much of her history from what I've read years ago in the Silmarillon etc
I always thought she had created Lothlorien to remember the forest of Lorien (the Maiar) in Valinor.
And concearning the blonde hair: didn't she give Sam a box of seeds which he planted in the Shire and in the following generations many Hobbits had blonde hair? That's why I thought the elves of Lothlorien were usually blonde, while you say they have dark hair.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 18, 2015
Thanks, Tav.
I believe that the golden wood was there before Galadriel arrived. I'll investigate further. Certainly the names Laurelindorenan and Lorien seem to be looking west to Valinor, but I'm not sure that that is what Tolkien intended.
It never occurred to me that the golden haired children in the Shire after the hobbits returned were anything to do with Galadriel's magic. Again I'll investigate and look for clues.
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Tavaron da Quirm - Arts Editor Posted Sep 18, 2015
I did some reading:
The part about Sam's seeds is on the first pages of the last chapter of LOTR (The Grey Havens) and I still think my interpretation of it all having to do with the seeds is right.
Then I looked up Lórien in the Silmarillion (German version) and in the index at the back it says that Lórien was indeed 'probably' named after the gardens of Lórien in Valinor.
And now I'm too tired to go on reading
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 20, 2015
I've read through the descriptions of the elves of Lorien again. It doesn't say what colour their hair was, except for one un-named elf who had golden hair. It's certainly true that the Noldor, the High Elves who left Valinor in pursuit of Morgoth and came to Middle Earth, had dark hair, but even there, Galadriel was one of them and had gold hair with a silvery sheen from her mother (a Telerin elf) and her grandmother (a Vanya). Thingol, the king of the Sindar, had silver hair. So it probably doesn't make much sense to talk about what colour hair most elves had. I'll remove that comment.
I've also discovered that Lorien existed before Galadriel arrived but that (a) it wasn't called Lorien and (b) it didn't have any golden trees. Galadriel brought the trees with her - they came from Numenor and had been given by Tar-Aldarion to Gil-galad as a present, but he couldn't get them to grow in Lindon so he gave them to Galadriel. The name for Lorien before Galadriel arrived seems to be uncertain vague - Lorinand (the land of singing) or Laurelindorenan, which could mean the Valley of Singing Gold (Treebeard's translation) or the Valley of the Memory of the Golden Tree (my translation). I'll try and put some of that into a new section.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 20, 2015
I've now added a section "Galadriel and the Golden Trees".
I haven't mentioned Tav's theory that the golden hair of the hobbit babies born in 1420 (Shire Reckoning) was caused by Galadriel's magic - it's possible but I'm really not convinced that that is what Tolkien intended.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 21, 2015
Tav, I now think you are right that Tolkien intended the people of Lorien to have golden hair. Tolkien only actually mentions the hair colour of one of them, an unnamed elf who stood at the far side of the river when they were crossing. He had golden hair. A sample size of 1 isn't enough.
But before Galadriel arrived, the land had the name Lindórenan, Valley of the Lindar, the Singers. The Lindar or Singers were a particular group of Elves. Tolkien elsewhere said that the Lindar were renamed the Vanyar (a name normally used for those golden-haired elves who reached Valinor). This strongly suggests that he was thinking of golden-haired elves in Lorien.
I don't think this is relevant to this entry, though.
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Tavaron da Quirm - Arts Editor Posted Oct 1, 2015
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Bluebottle Posted Nov 26, 2015
I've had a read through and it seems very thorough – I can't think of anything to add or change, except possibly a link to: A87838951 Tolkien's Dwarves
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Nov 26, 2015
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Peer Review: A87859309 - Galadriel, the Elf-Lady of Lorien - PR Version
- 1: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 10, 2015)
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- 3: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 10, 2015)
- 4: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 10, 2015)
- 5: Tavaron da Quirm - Arts Editor (Sep 17, 2015)
- 6: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 18, 2015)
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- 8: Gnomon - time to move on (Sep 20, 2015)
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