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Entry: York, UK - A25068657
Author: Elentari - U202814

Hi all,

My browser's messed up and won't search for the original entry, but I'm sure you can find it. If I get there first I'll post it myself.

Since I haven't used anything from the original entry, what's the form as far as credit goes?

Also, I had two links but couldn't use them as they contained ampersands, anyone know how to get around that?

Is this the original? A577055

Add amp; after the & to get &

Fab stuff E.

As this doesn't go through a Sub Ed you'll have top remove all your curly apostrophes and replace them with the straight ones I'm afraid.

And you might wan to check some of the TITLE tags and HREF/H2G2 tags on some of the references,I think there's a few mixed about, ghosts being one

That's what I noticed on first skim, great stuff updating this though, in dire need

I'll come back when I have some more time and see if there's anything else glaring

Nitpick -

>The city often finds itself on tourist itineraries due to its history and beauty. The city is small enough that it can be easily explored on foot and though there are many things to do and see, the main sites can be covered in a day or two.<

Use of 'the city' in close succession sounds a bit repetitive. Maybe substitute with York or even combine the phrasing?

Other than what I already mentioned, it looks great!

Getting onto that stuff now. Thought I'd taken out all the curly apostrophes, but I guess I missed a few! Eagle eyes, Matt.

Ok, I think I'm done.

I hadn't taken out the apostrophes at all, I'd switched the speech marks. I always forget the apostrophes change too!

If you write in Word, Elentari, you can stop the smart quotes by turning it off in the options by going to 'Tools', then 'AutoFormat', then 'Options' and finally 'AutoFormat'

Fantastic, thanks Skanky!

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Also, does anyone know what I should do about credit, given that I didn't use anything from the original entry?

The Editors never came up with a hard and fast policy on that point, Elentari. I asked the question in the Curators' Group (which is not visible to non-Curators).

The general indications, though, seem to be:

1. You should try to use content from the original entry if possible.

2. You should retain the original author on your entry, even if you used no part of their content.

3. If the original entry is one of the Most Harmless ones, which are just a paragraph with very little actual content, then you don't have to keep the original author.

Well in the event the opinion is split. I had the same problem in this entry

A21605320

Result was to credit the original author with the idea thus...
Inspired by:

Steffi

Inserted like this at the bottom ofb the entry.



Steffi





Bob Stafford


Only if All or most of the work is done by the new author. I hope this helps.

Bob...

Well, the Curators will follow the guidelines I outlined above. So whether you credit the original author or not, their name will be on the Entry, unless you can argue your case convincingly otherwise.

Gnomon is right that those are the guidelines we work to, but if you feel strongly that the original Entry has been completely replaced, it can't hurt to have a word with the Eds and ask them to post clarification here if they agree with you.

'Under Charles I, York became England's capital for a time...' - I think you should mention that he moved his capital to York after leaving London, as it's a little ambiguous at the moment - it sounds as if he might have done it on a whim.

'While York's importance as a northern city has faded thanks to the rise of Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester, it is still a popular place to visit.' I know what you're saying, but in this sentence I think you miss the point a little, or at least don't express it very well. For whatever reasons, York wasn't as industrialised as its neighbours, and in that sense it certainly fell behind. In terms of retaining an atmosphere that now appeals to tourists and conserving its important historical sites, though, the fact that industrialisation passed York by did it a favour in the long-term. If you were to consider economic importance and size of population alone, you'd probably be right; but if you were to consider less tangible concepts such as heritage York could be considered far more important.

'...from the Marks and Spencers shop on Parliament Street1' - full stop after footnote.

'This has lead to the joke...' - led

'The section near the Minster is particularly good for external views of the building.' - you don't need the word 'external', as it makes the sentence unnecessarily wordy. Readers will presume that any view of the Minster will be from the outside

'and the building lean into each other' - buildings

'The water levels on the Ouse has many times risen high enough to flood the pub' - The water level on the Ouse has risen high enough to flood the pub many times

'a nice mix of high-street' - high street

Very comprehensive, well-written and nicely linked. Good job, Elentari!

Hello there,

For a variety of reasons, unless an Entry being replaced is a 'Mostly Harmless' Entry then we also ask that you use some of the original content and credit the original author. You've done a fantastic job on this, and the bulk of it is clearly your Entry, but we don't want to set a precedent which might encourage people to 'compete' on particular subjects when another author just got in first.

Thanks very much!

h2g2 Editors

Ok, thanks for all the opinions everyone. There was a section on transport links in the original entry which I should probably include, so I'll put that back and make Skanky's corrections.

All done.

Skanky "'Under Charles I, York became England's capital for a time...' - I think you should mention that he moved his capital to York after leaving London, as it's a little ambiguous at the moment - it sounds as if he might have done it on a whim."

I don't know the history behind this really, do you know why he left London?

http://www.cityofyork.com/tourinfo/history.htm#CivilWar

Look under "Civil War and The Seige of York"


You might need to find out about the abolition of the 'Northern Council' too.

http://www.touristinformationyork.co.uk/

Read "17th Century York"


Hope this helps

That's great, thanks lil!

I'm confused now, Elentari, and I think you might have to pop to a library to clear this up. I've been reading various pages on the Internet without being able to find an authoritative answer. From what I can see:

Charles set up a court and Mint in York in 1641.
He didn't leave London until January 1642, so presumably London was his capital until then.
He then set up his headquarters at Oxford and later in the year raised his standard at Nottingham, thus effectively declaring war. A523450 has a good outline of these events.

If this is the case, then York was never Charles's capital (he was, however, the Duke of York!) It was certainly a key power base for him, but I can't find anything to verify that it was actually his headquarters. The only references I can find to it are on the sort of website that adds bits of 'information' to draw people in and look at the adverts for hotels, and I wouldn't consider those authoritative.

I'm not an expert on the Civil War, and when I posted last night I was confusing Oxford and York. So I may be wrong, which is why I think you should get a really authoritative view