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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Hypatia
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Do you like worcestershire sauce? You have to read labels, because some have HFCS. But in small quantities, like a teaspoon at a time, it only has 1 gm of carb. I personally love the flavor. The brand I use is gluten free, too.

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Amy Pawloski aka 'paper lady'--'Mufflewhump'?!? click here to find out... (ACE)
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I don't think soy sauce contains any actual soy. If it does, it's fermented, which is supposed to not be bad. The sodium content's a whole other issue...

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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I think even fermented soy contains some stuff that can be potentionally harmful for you:
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03summary.htm
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/02soysauce.htm

And I believe that there has been some broo-ha-ha about growing soy, I'll see if I can dig up a link to that...


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Not the actual take I was looking for, but I'll keep looking

http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/footprint/agriculture/soybeans/


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Maybe this one?

A surging demand for the ‘king of beans’, soy, is leading to widespread deforestation (rainforests and savannas), and displacement of small farmers and indigenous peoples.

From
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/foo...agriculture/soybeans/conversionsoy/

And meanwhile, so many vegetarians and vegans seem to be willing to turn a completely blind eye regarding these kinds of problems...


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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...because from soy beans, you can produce foods that 'imitate' stuff you're not supposed to eat if your a vegetarian or vegan.

You miss milk? Hey, there's soy milk
You miss burgers? Hey, there are tofu burgers
You miss sausages? Hey, there are soy sausages

So that you can fool yourself into believing you won't be missing out on anything by going vegetarian/vegan - but at which cost, healthwise and environmentalwise?


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Not to mention there's infant formula based on soy - instead of breast milk! I think the FDA strongly advices you *not* to feed infants with soy, because there was a study showing way to many undesirable side effects, especially hormonally. Really need to back up these accusations with links, will take me a while though.

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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"Soy sauce is produced by fermenting soybeans with Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus soyae molds[1] along with roasted grain, water, and salt."

Yeah, I know, not the most trustworthy of sources...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_sauce


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Hypatia
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I've read that fermented soy products are the only ones used in the Orient. In the west we have snacks of roasted soy beans, add the fresh beans to stir-fry, drink gallons of soy milk, use tvp as a meat extender or replacement, make protein bars out of it -- it goes on and on. And none of these uses are fermenting the beans. So saying that the Japanese are eating soy, they're healthier than Americans, so it must be good for us is like comparing apples and oranges. They eat a different kind of soy.

What makes me furious is that soy products are pushed on people as being healthier than whatever it is they're being used to replace. Dairy, meats, etc. And the truth is that they're far unhealthier. It's such a shame that our so called medical knowledge is based on where the profit margin is the greatest.


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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And in Japan, in no meal is a soy product the main ingredient, it's eaten more like a garnish - darn, need to find a link for that too. Maybe ask the guy who writes for thepost - a first hand eye witness would be great!

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Hypatia
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I really worry about vegetarians and vegans who use soy as a protein source. It's going to come back to bite them one of these days.

In the film "Fat Head" one of the doctors -- Sears I think -- talks about the nutritional composition of the grain-based diet recommended by the federal government in the famous food pyramid. He said they compared it with cattle feed and it is nearly identical. So we're told to eat this low-fat, grain-based diet to lose weight and it turns out to be the same diet fed to cattle and hogs to fatten them up for the market.


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 19, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Wow, that is quite a striking comparison...

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 20, 2010 by Online Nowkelli - ran 2 miles a day for 2012, aiming for the same for 2013
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erm you wouldn't expect cattle to eat high fat/protein though, would you? They are evolved to eat grass/plant-based stuff.

No formula milk is made from breast milk so as far as I am concerned all formula is a substandard product. Necessary, sadly, in a small number of cases but not the vast amounts that are actually used. Only breast milk is made from breast milk. You wouldn't believe how many people think that formula milk is actually made from or is the same as breast milk. It is *based* on cow's milk usually - a substance made in nature to feed baby cows, and then has a bunch of other stuff added to try to get it to be not-quite-as-good as the stuff that is made in nature to feed baby humans. The soy formula products are made because some babies can't tolerate the cow's milk proteins in standard formula - I really wish there were more milk banks so that those people who genuinely can't feed their babies themselves could at least give their children human milk, and that donating to milk banks was a more normal part of the child rearing process. *steps down from soapbox before I really start ranting*


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 20, 2010 by Hypatia
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I sincerely wish gluten wasn't a problem for me. I love bread. But I feel so much better when I don't eat wheat. Since I've given up the wheat and soy, I haven't been bloated and constipated a single time. Since I've given up wheat, I haven't had blisters in my mouth or a rash on my trunk and arms a single time.

Yes, cattle evolved eating grasses. But that isn't what they're fed anymore. I wish I still had a source for venison. It's a lot healthier for us than meat raised for market because the deer eat grasses and not grains.

One interesting suggestion -- it's probably in this thread someplace -- is for humans to eat foods as close to nature as possible. If our ancestors couldn't produce a food, then don't eat it. Especially overly processed grains and things like vegetable and corn oils that require modern technology to produce. That seems to make sense. After all, evolution is a very slow process. Our bodies have a hard time handling foods that have only existed for a few decades.


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 24, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Very interesting site that compares the sugar contents of so called 'health drinks' with that of pies, éclairs etc.

http://worldmysteries9.blogspot.com...0/05/harmful-drinks-in-america.html


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 24, 2010 by Hypatia
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Wow! Some of those beverages are lethal. Good grief.

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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 26, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Third hole in my belt is starting to feel loose!boing

Tried to find out some more about how many kilocalories to eat, and it would seem that, as long as your body is in ketosis, it will primaliry feed off the food ingested and then, if it needs more, it goes on to consume body fat. Figures I have seen mention that as much as 800 kcal of body fat can be used up this way.

'If the diet is changed from a highly glycemic diet to a diet that does not provide sufficient carbohydrate to replenish glycogen stores, the body goes through a set of stages to enter ketosis. During the initial stages of this process, the adult brain does not burn ketones; however, the brain makes immediate use of this important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain. After about 48 hours of this process, the brain starts burning ketones in order to more directly utilize the energy from the fat stores that are being depended upon, and to reserve the glucose only for its absolute needs, thus avoiding the depletion of the body's protein store in the muscles.'

See, that's what I've already mentioned earlier - that my impression is that the weight I lose is primarily fat tissue and that I've gained rather than lost muscle tissue.

What I need to do now is to make sure about the ketosis - there are supposed to be some kind of ketone test strips to test your urine, need to find out where I can buy those.


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 26, 2010 by Milla, listing wishes and bugs. Report them at A87753135 please
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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 26, 2010 by Titania and Ripley the unau
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Not sure how many kcal body fat contains, but I chose to compare it with butter, and 100 gr of butter contains 720 kcal.

Assuming that body fat contains about the same, it would mean one might lose 100 gr of body fat per day provided your body is in ketosis, which would mean 700 gr per week or roughly 1½ kg in two weeks - and that sounds as if it's within the normal weight loss range with 'ordinary' diets.

I don't think my body consumes that much body fat though, possibly because I haven't been quite as strict about carbs as recommended, but I don't mind going 'slow and steady'.


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Subject: My LCHF diet
Posted May 26, 2010 by Amy Pawloski aka 'paper lady'--'Mufflewhump'?!? click here to find out... (ACE)
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Ketone testing strips can be bought anywhere they have diabetes testing suppliesok

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