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Peer Review: A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
Post: 1
Posted Nov 19, 2011 by CASSEROLEON
Entry: Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1 - A87718800
Author: CASSEROLEON - U11049737

This is the first part of some reflections on themes drawn from two accounts of Medieval Europe, one published in 1916 and the other in 1963.

What happened between them was "The Age of Catastrophe" that still overshadowed "The Sixties" and the 1963 study reflected that troubled and uncertain time and its legacy.

Both books were written by university academics with students in mind, formal or otherwise, and, as I come to later, left their readers with visions of their historical legacy.

In 1916 that was predominantly one of hope and optimism (still -presumably it was completed before the Somme). In 1963 that legacy was one of pain and suffering and a Pandorra's Box of unresolved and conflicting ideas, for the author chose to cover not just the Medieval Period, but the period from the time when Medieval solutions could be seen to be in decay right up to 1648 and the end of the Wars of Religion. Thus he tended to focus on the challenge of change more than the opportunities of progress.


But, as Professor Plumb was writing around the same time in his "Crisis in the Humanities", historians had by then lost faith in progress and the future.

"The Sixties" was a time of student revolt against those who had "lost the faith". And in 2011, with young (and not so young) people camping out on the streets in major cities of the West in supposed Sixties tradition, the whole question of a Future worth working, living and striving for is once more of central importance.

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Feb 12, 2012 by Rod
This certainly looks comprehensive.

Two (general) points emerged:

. in para 1
>>In his 1963 study “Europe in Renaissance and Reformation” S. Harrison Thomson ...<<
would a comma ie >...Reformation”, < make for a better flow?

. then, in para 3
>>more space than Dr Thomson<<
Presumably Dr Thomson is S. Harrison Thomson? Is it the same person?

Other than such items, I'm at a loss

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Feb 12, 2012 by CASSEROLEON
Rod

Thanks for feed back.. (a) So you think a comma after the book title would be better? The main purpose in writing is making things easy for readers so I am open to suggestions/ corrections.

(b) Same thing for using two forms to refer to the same author. I was just trying to avoid boring repetition in a study that altogether is 100 a4 pages long. But I must confess to having assumed that a University History Professor -even in the USA- would have a doctorate so perhaps I was presumptious and should just call him S. Harrison Thomson.

Cass

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Feb 13, 2012 by Rod
Cass,

The comma is just a suggestion - the sentence seems to flow just a bit easier? ... (I'm unsure about the grammatical aspect).

Yes, I see the point about repetition.
Maybe, because the mentions are just a paragraph apart (& only 2 other names), just Thomson would do?

Rod

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Posted Feb 13, 2012 by Rod
... just Thomson would do? (for the second mention)

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Feb 13, 2012 by CASSEROLEON
Rod

I quite like the "Thomson" suggestion.. It avoids repetition or the confusion that a different 'appelature' might provoke.

As for the other comment about the comma, perhaps I should not actually start with the book title at all but with the author's name and the quote. That might take the reader to the heart of the matter more directly. I could always explain the context in the book afterwards.

Cass

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Oct 5, 2012 by h2g2 Guide Editors
I propose sending this back to Entry.

Our guidelines ask that people 'write in their own style' whereas this Entry is framed in a style of an academic paper, and as such is not suitable as part of the Edited Guide.

I think this is the reason that it has not been selected by the Scouts, nor commented on for many months now.

Lanzababy

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A87718800 - Modern Lessons From Medieval History 1
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Posted Oct 5, 2012 by CASSEROLEON
Lanzababy

This is written "in my own style" of "Prosaic writing..as I would have thought anyone who read any of my posts would understand. My poetic language is oral and intended to be sung. But in mundane exchanges this is my own style of speech too, though my favourite form of speech (as in my recent question) is not making speeches but conversation and dialogue.

In fact I had assumed long ago that h2g2 would not find this work appropriate and had not done so. After all the whole Hitch-Hikers story is based on the concept of a doomed planet Earth and a failed Humanity, one of whom gets the unique chance to tour the universe and learn "The Secret of Life"- which would be no real secret, because there would be nobody to share it with.

But, as I am in a de-cluttering phase at home, I can quite understand your recommendation. Thank you for letting me know.

Regards

Cass

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Posted Oct 5, 2012 by lil ~ ACE/Scout/CE/Guru ~ Auntie Giggles ~ wearing her Summer 'at!

Sadly, I agree with the Guide Editors, this should be removed from PR.


lil x

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Posted Oct 5, 2012 by CASSEROLEON
Me too.

Cass

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Posted Oct 5, 2012 by Rod
Can't argue with that.

Rod

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