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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by il viaggiatore Better than not at all, I say. If it helps you to read it and you wouldn't read it otherwise, go for it.
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Tubaman yer but u'll just get it all mixed up
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by il viaggiatore It's all mixed up anyway. Books 3 and 4 take us nearly to the end, switching between two storylines, then we backtrack to the breaking of the fellowship again and go not quite as far, then we flash forward at the beginning of book 5 go to the end there, then book 6 goes back to where we left off with book 4 quite a bit before and proceed to meet up with everyone else. Anyway, it's better than not reading them at all.
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Tubaman too true
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Clelba don't worry, i've read them all straight through before it's just reminding me of details... ^. .^ = ' = Gurus CommunityArtists
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Speak Up ! Your intitled to your own stupid opinion Does it really matter if you haven't read the books i have but my friends wants to know if you really need to read tohe books first and I can't decide
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by il viaggiatore you don't need to read the books to understand what's going on in the movies, but they do add a depth of appreciation.
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Clelba i awtched the film twice without reading the books, and it inspired me to read the books. i like both now ^. .^ = ' = Gurus CommunityArtists
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Geoff Taylor - Gullible Chump I couldn't get into the books at all,despite much effort. Then I saw the first film, and I've now read all three.
The film was a real eye-opener for me into the books.
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by Tubaman yer thts wot a lot of my friends were like
sum ppl didnt even want to know until the film came out and thn they were suddenly lotr's biggest fans
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 Posted Dec 17, 2002 by the other omylouse "multiply (1*6) by (6*1+0+3)!" "...lotrs biggest fans"
i think its kinda sad (as in rather than 'uncool') that there needs to be a big blockbuster made before people can begin to enjoy such a masterpiece of written fiction. i think the film adds to the book rather than the other way round. for me the books will always be the main lotr media, the films just help add flesh to our imaginations & show characters from a viewpoint different to our own. doe that sound a bit too indepth & soulsearching? sorry. put it down to my tiredness please! the films r ace, got my ticket 4 tomorrow night. if the house burns down tonight i must remember to grab it on the way out!
a rather babbling omy
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Ami of zx - no badgers here! Technically it is incorrect to say 'Galadriel is the oldest elf in middle earth'. She is very old, but she isn't from middle earth at all. She was born in the blessed realm, then went to Beleriand (west of Eriador, 'middle earth' in the movie and lotr books) and came to middle earth in the second age with Celebrimbor and the other elves of Hollin. She met Celeborn there, but Tolkein was never specific about when, or where Celeborn was born. (sorry that sounds so awkward). Celeborn is probably older than her, and he was born in middle earth, not the blessed realm. Besides that, characters such as Tharanduil (Legolas's father) are also probably older than Galadriel or Celeborn, but they aren't mentioned in the books.
I agree about her 'far-away'ness being a bit over the top. I think she looks thoroughly stoned.
Ami of zx
'sorting out the geeks from the hard-core nerds'
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by il viaggiatore Methinks you've skipped some backlog, but I'll answer anyway. I believe Galadriel is the oldest. It was mentioned somewhere... Unfinished Tales, i believe. She's about 4/5 of the age of the world. The fact that Thranduil and Celeborn are moriquendi doesn't mean they're older than her. They could certainly have been born afterwards. In any case Galadriel is definitely the highest ranking in the third age, being descended from the the Kings of the Vanyar and the Noldor.
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Madent Cirdan is almost certainly the eldest, not Galadriel. Although not recorded explicitly by Tolkien, he is believed to have awoken at Cuiviénen. Galadriel was born much later and was the granddaughter of Finwë.
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Orcus Celeborn is specifically mentioned as a kinsman of Elwe Singollo (Thingol) of Doriath He is Celeborn of Doriath. Cirdan is most definitely older than Galadriel as said above but she saw the light of the Two Trees and so is of greater power.
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Orcus Can't remember where I saw it but I also think Galadriel and Celeborn led some Nandor Elves back over the Blue Mountains and out of Beleriand during the *1st Age*, not the Second.
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Madent
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by il viaggiatore
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 Posted Dec 18, 2002 by Captain Kebab Wow - am I the first person to post after seeing the ~ 'Two Towers?' After I did it with the Fellowship? I'm clearly going to have to go for the hat-trick next year!
So - first thoughts (need to see it again before I'll know what I think!) - Gollum was awesome! And Treebeard was brilliant. But what did they do to Faramir? I can take the plot changes, but I don't like what they did to his character - 'not even if I found it by the wayside', he said (LotR geeks will know what I mean).
Still, overall verdict -
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