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This is the Journal of Hypatia << places to visit Longevity calculator >> Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 23, 2012 by Z This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 61 And we don't just look for treating the symptoms, that's one of those silly myths put out their by the alt-med crowd. Science-and-reality-based medicine tries to treat the symptoms if it can, if they can.... but there is a certain reality that if we can't we have to treat the symptoms. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 23, 2012 by Z This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 62 Bleep, damn that wine. Er, tries to treat the cause... (my big pharma conspirarcy pay-check will be delayed if I do that again). Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 23, 2012 by Hypatia This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 63 Z, I am 100% convinced of your integrity. I'm also convinced that reputable universities are genuinely trying to find the truth. Big pharma is another kettle of fish altogether. And in the US at least, we have the giant food manufacturers who wield a lot greater influence than they should lurking behind the scene,pulling the strings in Congress and state houses. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 24, 2012 by Z This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 64 Abserloutely, and the only way we will see through such nonsense is by taking a scientific approach and debunking the claims made by big food and big pharma. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 24, 2012 by Peanut This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 65 please forgive me for being unable to resist, but if only that was true that a scientific debunking would be sufficient on its own to bring about the demise of such vested interests Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 24, 2012 by Z This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 66 I can bring about the demise of whatever they are promoting being accepted science.... Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 24, 2012 by Baron Grim This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 67 All the scientific evidence in the world won't convince some people. Just look to the anti-vax promoters for a prime example of how even an overwhelming preponderance of disputing evidence can actually reaffirm a strongly held "belief". (This week it was discovered that American Airlines was planning to run an interview on their inflight screens and in their inflight magazine with noted anti-vaxxer Meryl Dorey. Fortunately after enough people complained AA relented. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/b...o-air-dangerous-antivax-propaganda/ ) Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 24, 2012 by cactuscafe This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 68 Lovely to hear from you, dear Hyp, lovely peach blossom lady of the springtime Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Hypatia This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 69 It's lovely to be back, oh desert goddess. BG, when people have a lot invested in their beliefs/theories/opinions they find ways to dismiss evidence to the contrary. They can't cope with their beliefs being challenged, let alone proved wrong. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Baron Grim This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 70 It's not that they can't cope. It's that they actually dig in. It reinforces their beliefs. Understanding this has made it much easier for me to walk away from pointless arguments. http://www.badscience.net/2010/05/e...ce-based-smear-campaigns/#more-1615 Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Titania and Ripley the unau This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 71 Thanks Z for #59, I appreciate it. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Hypatia This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 72 I was thinking more about religious beliefs when I said they can't cope. But just not wanting to admit they are wrond will cause people to dig in, as you say. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Baron Grim This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 73 Well, it is religious how some folks believe things on faith regardless of overwhelming evidence. Antivaxxers, truthers, conspiracy theorists, homeopaths, climate denialists, &c. These new studies showing how corrective evidence isn't just ignored but reinforces their beliefs is very frustrating. Reason is futile. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Ahem Posted Apr 26, 2012 by Hypatia This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 74 True, once someone's mind is closed on any subject, you're wasting your breath even discussing it with them. And it is indeed frustrating. Conversation list Conversation list

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