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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 1, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
 
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Entry: You know me - A1161776
Author: Researcher 241132 - U241132

I remember you. Do you remember me?

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 2, 2003 by
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This is very deep. One of the best pieces I've read on bullying (though this sounds like a rather bad sort of it)

The entry avoids whining or traditional phrases that I've seen too often before.

You okay though? cheerup

sheep

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 2, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
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Thank you for your kind words.

I'm fine. Thanks for asking. This piece is a bit of fiction that just kind of flew out of my fingers while I was contemplating what might be going on in the mind of a stalker, and what might lead a person to that sort of behavior. I imagine that pretty much every victim of bullying has revenge fantasies and a very few might act them out.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 2, 2003 by
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I figured that. It's too well articulated to be from someone in a fury, I think.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 3, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
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So do I. Then again, 'Vengeance is a dish best served cold', yes?

If I've captured the spirit of a person who has gone over the events of the past every day for years and has got past fury and into something more sharp-edged, then I've succeeded at what I set out to do.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 4, 2003 by
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Hmmm....

I like this entry [why does that sound so ominous?] You say that this isn't a poem from personal experience?

I don't know, this is hard to describe because it's not really something I can put my hand on: it's well written, clear, it made me think, and it read well. Maybe it's just a misfire on my part, but it just didn't 'hang right'.

Perhaps I ought to be more clear and concise. I was bullied at the first secondary school I attended, and I actually came into contact with bully a couple of years later. It was funny because it was at a youth group I volunteered at, and I didn't feel those things: I pitied him. I felt sorry that he hadn't grown as a person since we'd last come into 'contact', and I feel that I had as a result....

...so not concise winkeye , but perhaps a little clearer, I think that maybe it's me [how corny does that sound: it's not you, it's me winkeye ] I hope I haven't offended you, it just doesn't sit right with me :-S

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 5, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
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I was bullied some, too, although not to that extent, and remember the fantasies I entertained at the time. That, plus the fact that the whole Columbine High School incident was a couple of kids with other problems reacting to being bullied, plus the fact that I personally know a couple of people who've been victims of stalkers just kind of all came together for this.

I'm awfully hard to offend these days, so don't worry about that at all. If what I wrote was the standard, the world would be a much more frightening place than it already is!

I'm also old enough to remember Bernard Goetz, the man in New York City who decided he had had enough and shot five kids in the subway (tube).

I don't expect it to sit right with everyone. If it made you think, I'm satisfied.



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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 5, 2003 by
Universal Granny
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Oh, yes! yes! yes!

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt - never been able to express it though, you've done it brilliantly! I can identify all the way with this, still harbouring the revenge too. Will never happen but you've made me feel better somehow.

Thank you

Take care hug Universal Granny

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 8, 2003 by
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This is very spooky. It made me very glad that I'm not the one that you know.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 8, 2003 by
Universal Granny
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Hallo Wild rose

Please don't be spooked, I hate frightening people, as you can gather, I know what that feels like.

And the person that I know is now terminally ill, which is why I say the revenge will never happen. I couldn't do it - but it leaves something unrequited within me, which I am having to learn to live with.

Take care hug Universal Granny

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 9, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
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Hello Universal Granny and Wild Rose.

I'm glad you both thought it worth commenting on my words. It seems that they've done what I wanted them to do. People who have been bullied were able to identify with their perspective. Wild Rose, you had exactly the sort of reaction I was hoping someone who hasn't been the victim of bullying would have. I'm not the character in the story, but I understand that character, and hope other people do, too.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 9, 2003 by Online Now
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Certainly made me think. A very powerful, strong and frighteningly controlled piece. The stalker element sent shivers up my spine. An excellent entry worthy of the underguide perhaps wolf? *waves* to wild rose.
take care
boots

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 9, 2003 by
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This is a very strong piece of writing.

The only bit I wasn't fussed on is:

'The intensity of my hate seared itself into my brain permanently.'

This seemed a bit contrived, though I'm not sure that it's the right word. It's not quite in the same register as the rest of the poem. I'd prefer it if the sentiment was expressed with the chilling simplicity you use throughout. I'd deffinitely drop 'permenantly' from the end of the line. But I'm not a poet so I might just be missing the point smiley

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 9, 2003 by
Accidental Poet
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I need it to have something to lead into the line "And my hate still burns." I'm open to suggestions for modification, though.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 10, 2003 by
The Professor
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And You Remember.

The Professor
Societas Eruditorum

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 11, 2003 by
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I'm not a poet either, Speckly. Al least, I've never thought of myself as one and have certainly never had any kind of training or education in poetry. It hadn't even occured to me that this could be considered a poem.

I've thought about it, and you're right. The word "permanently" didn't add anything and may have detracted from this. So I got rid of it.

Someone offline suggested that in "The intensity of my hate seared itself into my brain" the word "seared" be replaced with "branded." I don't know...

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 11, 2003 by
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Hi, Professor.

If that's a suggestion that the final line be changed from "And I remember" to "And you remember," I don't think so... That change would, in my opinion, make the whole piece less threatening and the reader less uncomfortable.

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 11, 2003 by
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I'm having a little trouble with the "intensity" line, also, and I am a poet.

It does seem to be a bit "third person" and sophisticated in comparison to the rest of the piece.

I suggest you try reading it out loud into a recorder and then playing it back an hour later.
You might find some more musical way of dealing with that line.


I also kept wondering what her younger sister might be like today.
A self-defense instructor, perhaps?

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 11, 2003 by
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No it wasn't a suggestion, I was acknowledging the poem. I used to be a poet of this kind...and it brought back memories.

The Professor
Societas Eruditorum

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Subject: A1161776 - You know me
Posted Sep 11, 2003 by
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What about: 'the intensity of my hate was seared/branded into my brain.' or 'into me'

I'd think carefully about the alliteration on 'branded' and 'brain' if you go for that. Not necessarily bad, but you should consider if it's an effect you *want*

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