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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by
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Ok, I'm probably posting this in the wrong place but the whole site is upside down and back to front so sue me.

Can I suggest people who have volunteer roles (other than ACEs) ditch the titles from their screen names? There is a developing problem with people being unsure if Poster A is saying something that is opinion or policy. Equally, this must be frustrating for the volunteers who must be starting to feel constricted in what they can say and where. There is no need for the riff-raff (ie the likes of me) to know who is a comm ed, a paid employee or a mod. Wearing badges is a bit show-offy really and the negatives outweigh the positives imo. It's also contributing to a real "us & them" mentality.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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We don't have badges to show we're CEs, for example. And although this may be superfluous for you to know, it may be important for a newbie to see who the Community Editors are.

I've discussed the title in my tag line with lots of people, and the consensus was that it is useful and should remain there.

We don't have paid employees, and the moderators have specific accounts, so they don't need it in the tagline of their 'private' accounts. smiley

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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>>It's also contributing to a real "us & them" mentality.<<

So you would prefer not to know who the community editors and guide editors are?

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by
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I don't think it matters "who" they are, just that they exist. I'm sorry, I know you have problems with broken bits but there must be a way of setting up an account for Comm Eds and Mods that the volunteers have password access to so if they need to speak in an official capacity, they can.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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There is a community editors account we have access to. I haven't felt the need to use it, though.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by Online Now
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It's a tricky argument; several people have asked that we become permanently italicised so that we can be more visible, some have asked that we prefix every post with whether we're posting as ourselves or officially, plus your request here.

It's definitely something to sort out as at the moment we've fallen into this rather than making a definite decision; it was discussed a lot but never came to a conclusion.

We have official accounts which we use when we're being official and we hope to start making that more commonplace when we have more of a site presense and are spending less time round the back fighting fires and tiptoeing around broken piles of code. laugh wah laugh

OK, short answer: good question, no answer yet but we will.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website
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I think this is a real dilemma. The problem with removing the titles from the taglines now is that we know who most of the CEs etc are. So is it going to make a difference if they're posting in controversial threads about h2g2 and they don't have the title in their name?

I'm wondering if the CEs need a second account each, that is italicised, that is only for CE stuff (eg when Bel talks about the Plaza). Then their personal accounts can be just that, without the titles.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by
swl - Genetically Modified
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Most of us will forget who's who I expect.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by Online Now
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That's my personal opinion. I have a CE hat, and I wear it when I post from the CE's italicised account. The rest of the time I'm me and I'm not posting officially.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website
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Vip, post 6 looks like it comes from a CE, at least some of it.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by Online Now
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I don't think it matters about having the job title in name tags.
I think any staff, volunteers or otherwise, in editorial positions, should be italicised when dealing with site business so there can be no mistake as to who they are or what they do. (that is the titles italicised,not their names) It might mean them operating 2 a/c's but thats not hard surely?
At least that way we know when they're official and when they're researchers.
Just my 2cents space for what its worth.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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kea - yeah, you're right, it does. Takes some getting used to, these hats. smiley

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website
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Maybe we need <hat> smilies. I wonder if the techs can make them so only certain people can use them?

Vip, I think part of the problem is that we're using the old bbc, employee Editors model, and it doesn't work for peer Editors. We probably have to come up with a new model.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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Can't you have a separate account for a personal italic account?

It's going to be hard on this site to ever be 'not a CE' but that would be a better start.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by
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For as long I can remember, people have been appending their volunteer roles to their names, e.g. "Captain Lightbulb (ACE, Scout)"

I was asked to identify myself as a volunteer Guide Editor, so that's what I've done. I would hope that people might see it and ask me about the Edited Guide (but nobody has yet).

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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Yeah, that's another good option, Mina. smiley I guess it partly depends on how we want the CEs to be viewed.

At the moment there is a clear distinction between the 'official' account and our personal accounts.
On the one hand, that's good because it's easy to tell what's a personal and what's an official post.
On the other hand, a CEs account looks official, but that could be seen as a negative (hand slapping from on high, which really isn't the look I'm going for).

With a Vip account and a _Vip - Community Editor_ account in italics, we might be able to get the best of both worlds. And we can also have the official CEs account for when it really is a joint decision, although that could get messy as well.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by
swl - Genetically Modified
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I think part of the problem *right now* is we're in a state of flux where things are broken, changing & evolving. People are looking for answers and the volunteers - with the best intentions - are posting their thoughts. But what might be an off the cuff remark from a volunteer can be taken as official policy by some. This of course could lead to recriminations later.

I just worry that the volunteers will attract so much flak for their genuine attempts to help that they'll give up. Already we've seen Ben say the pressure is making her want to interact less and she's having the fun drained out. I've seen other volunteers getting themselves into a right fankle too.

The other thing is Aces, Comm Eds etc are positive things and when things settle down yes, they should be highly visible and proud of their role. But Mods are a necessary evil. Having one taking part in a thread where modding later takes place is going to lead people to think *that* mod took offence/umbrage, whatever. This could lead to misunderstandings, bad feeling, vendettas etc. It will also mean the highly visible presence of a Mod will become an inhibiting factor.

I really don't think people should advertise the fact that they're Mods. Sorry.

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
Posted Oct 31, 2011 by Online Now
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Sorry, but I've suddenly got a vision of Icy wearing a badge that reads "Ask me about the Edited Guide". It is a strange vision, I admit...


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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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swl - Genetically Modified
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Is he an Edited Guide Guide?

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Subject: Ditch the Titles
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Icy, those volunteers (ACE, Scout etc) didn't have the responsibilities or the power that the Editors have. We've never had peer Editors before.

I think the EG Eds are in a somewhat different situation than the CEs, although it will be interesting to see what happens the first time there's a storm in PR.

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