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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
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One of the (many) problems with the old h2g2 (the BBC-run one) was that there was one entry for each topic, but it wasn't easy to update the entry. You basically had to be up to sub-editor standard in your GuideML and English grammar and punctuation before the Eds would allow you to update an entry. They didn't want to spare sub-editors to work on updates when they could be doing the "real work" of adding entries to the Guide.

This meant that gradually over time, the entries got older and older and nobody could be bothered doing the work to correct them. And the nitpicking that the Eds insisted on for updates was done in Peer Review, which gave everybody the impression that people should do nitpicking in Peer Review. People got scared away from Peer Review and submitted less normal entries as well.

We've decided to change the process for updates - updates will be picked by scouts, the same as any other entry, and they'll be sub-edited if necessary, the same as any other entry. And updates will also get a picture added to them, the same as any new entry, if they don't already have one.

I'm still playing around with the details of exactly how it will happen.

But for the moment, what people need to know is that:

1. You don't have to be a brilliant writer to update an entry.

2. People reviewing things in Peer Review do not need to point out trivial mistakes. The only mistakes that need to be pointed out are the ones where the meaning is not possible to determine without asking the author.

Of course, one of the problems we will have with updates is that the front page has a section on the right hand side: Recently Updated. Due to various bugs in h2g2, we can't change that, so it will still show the last things that were updated by the BBC until we stop using DNA and all switch to Pliny (the new name for the bug-free Barlesque).

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by
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What's the current wording for additional research in an update? The one I'm currently subbing has somebody else listed as author in the original, because back then we didn't have the references section.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor
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Well, I can't wait for the long expected improvement in h2g2.

Thanks for this post Gnomon, I'd really like to take some of your comments and update the Peer Review forum, to ensure that the message is put across to all reviewers.

Possibly this should go to the Noesis Scout and Sub-editors forums as well? I'm just thinking that we need to keep all the volunteers in the loop here.

PS I recommended the UCAS update.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
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Bel, the person who does the update and the person who wrote the original should both be listed as authors on the entry.

If there is another person who helped do the update, they should get a credit:

<CREDITS TITLE="Additional Research by:">
<LINK DNAID="U123456">The Amazing Joe</LINK>
</CREDITS>



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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
Geggs (QoTD Operator) Have you seen something Quotable? Send it to qotd@h2g2.com now! Not sure how? See A87794383
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Interesting name change to Pliny. Anything to do with the Elder writing an encyclopaedia, perhaps?


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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
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I don't know who chose the name. I know Pliny the Elder died because he stood too close to a volcano.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
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Robbie liked it because of the link with the encyclopedia. Do we have an entry on pliny?

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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Thank you. I only wanted to know whether the wording was still 'additional research by'. smiley

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by Online Now
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Both Plinys are mentioned in the entry on Vesuvius, but there's no specific entry on either of them.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 8, 2012 by
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Hmm; the inventor of Natural History, as science used to be called.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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Malabarista - live a little! The night is young, and we have umbrellas in our drinks.
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That's a great idea, Gnomon, and long overdue!

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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That sounds eminently sensible.

Pliny the elder was the commander of the Roman fleet over the bay from Pompeii. When he saw the eruption he got in a boat and went to see what was going on. He died in Pompeii.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 9, 2012 by
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This sounds like a storming idea Gnomon!

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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Lanzababy - Guide Editor
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We're test driving this revised procedure using HIs excellent Update on UCAS applications.

I say 'we' but really the hard work and organisation are totally down to Gnomon here. Thanks!

There are so many out-of-date Entries, anything that encourages someone to take one under their wing and revise it is a very positive step.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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<lightbulb>

In the big redesign (either Pliny or the one after) we could have a button by each entry saying 'Outdated? click here to update?' with a link to the update proceedure.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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I don't see why not Z, we do need to make the whole thing transparently easy.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 9, 2012 by
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Excellent news. Another way to do this would be to encourage people to update their own entries, and ask people to take on orphan entries (or clusters of entries even). This is a bit wiki-inspired, but it seems to work for them.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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We could even give a bit more kudos to those who update Entries, in a similar way to those who rescue orphaned Entries from the Flea Market for instance.

It's silly, but I rescued 5 Entries purely for the badge blush I think it gives you a goal to reach, and adds to the challenge.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
Posted Feb 9, 2012 by Online Now
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Pastey says that the best way to get people to contribute to modern websites is to award them fictional awards for various things - you have reached level 27 and are now a Master Updater.

I don't like that, but if it sells the site it may be good.

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Subject: Revising the Update Procedure
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Gamification. It works.

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